Valar Guild

December 5, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST
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Transcript team: Varda

Meeting Begins
    Farmer Maggot
    Tolkien Encyclopedia: new article
    Games page
    World of WarCraft page, aka WoW page
    Death as a theme
    English Myth
    Silvan elves as they would be now, in Tolkien's mythology
    Beorn in the myth
    Trolls in books vs movie
    Weapons in Tolkien

You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
VardaValar1: Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Almost missed the time :-)
GilraenV: Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: no worries, everybody seems to have done so
GilraenV: it's a very small meeting today ^.~
VardaValar1: Lot of folk need to be invited or they don't show
VardaValar1: Doing it now
Menelvagor Valar: Lungorthin has already been in and has gone to study for his tests coming week
VardaValar1: Good for him!
VardaValar1: Finals next week for lots of college folk
Eonwe Valar: heya all :} sory was on another screen :}
GilraenV: gwai was eaten by the work monster again
VardaValar1: ouch, understood
GilraenV: heya, good to see life
GilraenV: saw arathorn in d2x yesterday
VardaValar1: Eonwe, are you in WoW at the moment too?
GilraenV: which was novel, as I rarely see anyone other than gwai
VardaValar1: O cool
Eonwe Valar: no, not at the moment
VardaValar1: When do you come in, Gilraen?
GilraenV: *rambles*
GilraenV: come in... to what. sorry?
GilraenV: I'm half asleep
VardaValar1: What time of day do you play D2X?
GilraenV: ah. it varies... usually evening/night GMT
sauronjag has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
sauronjag: hehe oops :-) Heya, I can'
VardaValar1: So before meeting time about?
Menelvagor Valar: well before I bet
VardaValar1: Showing up gets you credit anyway :-)
sauronjag: I can't stay I'm heading out and saying goodbyes as we speak :-) I have a ton of tests to study for
GilraenV: hehe. depends on if I have college the next morning
VardaValar1: You and many others
VardaValar1: Good memory to you!
sauronjag: thanks :-) namarie
sauronjag has left the room.
GilraenV: good luck
GilraenV: BAH
GilraenV: I keep missing
GilraenV: *shakes head*
VardaValar1: They often see the transcript anyway : )
GilraenV: hehe
VardaValar1: We could have a short meeting?
Eonwe Valar: My tests are luckily not until wednesday, and then I have one or two at the end of next week

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Member News:
VardaValar1: We are mostly absent due to finals and WoW : )
VardaValar1: Any other Member news?
VardaValar1: and work, heh

VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: New article in the Tolkien Encyc:
VardaValar1: Halls of Thranduil
VardaValar1: It exists due to research for the MeO rp : )
VardaValar1: Any other Web news?
VardaValar1: Eonwe, how goes the Games page?
VardaValar1: Any more responses?
Eonwe Valar: Still on hold until after finals
VardaValar1: Okie dokie
Eonwe Valar: no, no one has sent in gaming info since the update
Menelvagor Valar: whoops, getting on with it fast
Menelvagor Valar: dunno if you got a mail from FM, but both he and Phar cannot be here tonight
VardaValar1: The WoW web page has been updating
VardaValar1: Finals?
FallenGlory has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: on FM I don't know, Phar is visiting his granny
VardaValar1: Aiya
FallenGlory: Heya
VardaValar1: Any other Web news?
Menelvagor Valar: not from here

VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: WoW has been very popular
VardaValar1: Don't forget to tell us your name on the Forum
VardaValar1: Lothar on Eastern is the official guild server
VardaValar1: Alliance
VardaValar1: Any other Gaming news?
Menelvagor Valar: WoW isn't due to release in Europe until jan. 14th
VardaValar1: Anyone here play WoW? Eonwe is Auros on Lothar
VardaValar1: ouch
VardaValar1: I'm Fainan on Lothar, in there now
Eonwe Valar: You can preorder it now, though
VardaValar1: Might be a good idea
VardaValar1: They sold out here in no time
Menelvagor Valar: not until social security gives me my money for this month
Menelvagor Valar: they are late
VardaValar1: Good thing it doesn't come out for you yet then : )
VardaValar1: Less aggravating
VardaValar1: Any other gaming news?
GilraenV: I'd like to try it, but I can't afford it
VardaValar1: First month free helps
VardaValar1: We kind of dug into our grocery money, heh
GilraenV: I can't even afford the disc ^.~
VardaValar1: I don't advise it though
GilraenV: hehe
Menelvagor Valar: I'll dig into my DaoC money for it :-)
VardaValar1: Babysitting, shoveling snow, mowing lawns.... : )
Eonwe Valar: Circuit City I think has it for 39.99 this week if tht helps anyone
VardaValar1: That's how we plan to finance our online time, too. Dropping EQ
VardaValar1: Thanks Eonwe
Menelvagor Valar: Britain and Holland don't have those stores I'm sure
VardaValar1: But someone reading the transcript might be helped
VardaValar1: Any other gaming news?

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: Anyone have a Tolkien topic?
MaglorV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
MaglorV: Aiya
VardaValar1: We are trying to pick a Tolkien topic : )
VardaValar1: You have one, Maglor? : )
MaglorV: I can't say that I do
VardaValar1: Tolkien said Death was a major theme in his work
VardaValar1: I guess he might have said Endings and new beginnings just as well
VardaValar1: The end of the time of the Elves in Arda, but the beginning of the time of Men
VardaValar1: The end of nearly anything not man, heh
VardaValar1: The silvans stayed though
VardaValar1: I wonder what became of them
VardaValar1: Did they all eventually succumb to the sea longing by traveling?
VardaValar1: I can talk to myself all day, but would rather not : )
MaglorV: I think that depends on how you see Tolkien's books
MaglorV: He began it with the intent of writing an English Myth
VardaValar1: And wouldn't you say he succeeded?
MaglorV: so, if that is the case, the Sylvan Elves stayed, and hide in the forests
MaglorV: to this day :-)
VardaValar1: I like that : )
Menelvagor Valar: I see only one problem with that Maglor
VardaValar1: Hobbits are supposed to be around too, but hide when people come near
MaglorV: true
MaglorV: and elves are even more sneaky
VardaValar1: hehe
Menelvagor Valar: unless the Silvans have made cloaks such as the Lothlorien's did, but with heat absorbtion, they would have been detected by the heat-detectors of the satellites
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: And been considered more wildlife? : )
VardaValar1: The Dorwinion wine still around? Very wild life
MaglorV: they have "elf magic" though (the Sam in me speaking)
VardaValar1: Might be assumed to be hikers?
MaglorV: hehe, maybe
GilraenV: or campers
VardaValar1: aye
Menelvagor Valar: that was about the Lothlorien, not the Silvans
Menelvagor Valar: and I would doubt that such a large community such as the Silvans of Menegroth would have been seen as a casual nr. of campers
MaglorV: yeah, but most of the elves in Lothlorien were sylvan
VardaValar1: Lothlorien was deserted pretty much
VardaValar1: Some of the Lothlorien silvans went to Ithilien
VardaValar1: I assume some went to Lasgalen
MaglorV: and then there is Greenwood
VardaValar1: A batch would have gone to southern Lasgalen with Celeborn
VardaValar1: The Lasgalen/Greenwood elves stayed on
VardaValar1: Not spoiled by a Ring ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: true, but where would you find a large forest like that these days?
VardaValar1: Yosemite National Park
MaglorV: ahh, another good point
MaglorV: North America?
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: Quite a few large national parks
MaglorV: yeah, but how would they get here?
VardaValar1: They have parks all over the world
Menelvagor Valar: ah!
VardaValar1: Wear a low hat? : )
Eonwe Valar: There's also the Amazon, and the jungles of Africa
Menelvagor Valar: it's a government cover-up to hide the existence of the Elves :-D
VardaValar1: hehehe
MaglorV: hehe, yeah
VardaValar1: Any park ranger would surely assist : )
MaglorV: so UFOs are elven fireworks?
GilraenV: they're the origin of the robin hood story... elves in sherwood forest ^.~
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: hmmm
VardaValar1: We could have fan fics come out of this : )
Menelvagor Valar: where else would Yogi learn to talk?
MaglorV: haha, ouch, i dont want to step into that territory
GilraenV: *laughs*
Menelvagor Valar: OR
Menelvagor Valar: Yogi is one of the last descendants of the Beorn line :-)
VardaValar1: The elves would probably have diffused all over the world, in this length of time
VardaValar1: Must be it, Menel : )
VardaValar1: They would have caused a ton of superstitions and folklore
MaglorV: lol, my pet in WoW is named Beorn
GilraenV: bigfoot
VardaValar1: and movies
VardaValar1: I see a lot of Tolkien names in WoW among the Night Elves
MaglorV: yeah
VardaValar1: Hope the GM's don't crack down on them too much
Menelvagor Valar: hehe :-)
VardaValar1: So Orodreth and Fingolfin
MaglorV: I have already sent 3 people to the Valar Guild site :-)
VardaValar1: o cool!
MaglorV: they seemed really interested in joining
Eonwe Valar: good job Maglor :}
VardaValar1: Maglor, super-recruiter : )
MaglorV: one was named Tulkas
Menelvagor Valar: well, WoW is the next best thing for a Tolkien fan to play and see some of his fanship back in
MaglorV: the other two recognized my name and asked me about it
VardaValar1: Very good
Menelvagor Valar: not counting MEO there, since it has not been released yet
VardaValar1: Mine is just not Tolkien
VardaValar1: I hope MeO is watching WoW closely
Menelvagor Valar: and EQ2
VardaValar1: sye
VardaValar1: aye
GilraenV: Well, I should be off. long day tomorrow.
Menelvagor Valar: I've seen a couple screenshots on trolls in EQ2
VardaValar1: Good night, Gilraen!
Eonwe Valar: If someone recognizes my name, I'll definitely have to consider a test :}
Menelvagor Valar: they were hideously beautiful
GilraenV: Namarie all.
MaglorV: Namarie
Menelvagor Valar: namarie
VardaValar1: Namarie
GilraenV has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: I actually think the trolls seen in the movie are a bit overdone
VardaValar1: All those online fees kill the number of games we can play
MaglorV: yeah
Menelvagor Valar: yep
VardaValar1: How so, Menel? (not arguing, just curious)
MaglorV: but all I want to play now is WoW, im hooked
Menelvagor Valar: well, we all know that trolls are big and generally dumb, right?
VardaValar1: new game, Maglor : )
VardaValar1: And green : )
VardaValar1: Huge flat feet
Menelvagor Valar: not necessarily :-)
VardaValar1: Just the ones described
Menelvagor Valar: but their color is beside the point
Menelvagor Valar: I think the trolls in the movies are not just big, but rather beefy
VardaValar1: What's wrong with beefy?
Menelvagor Valar: and not just dumb, but plain stupid
VardaValar1: You want a troll that's really dim, try the one in Harry Potter ; )
Menelvagor Valar: well.... the visualisation make it seem it is ALL brute force
Menelvagor Valar: and very little agility
VardaValar1: Did you see much agility in the ones in the books?
MaglorV: the books say very little about them
Menelvagor Valar: well, considering the little room the Troll in Moria was in, he was quite nimble
VardaValar1: The ones attacking at the gate of Mordor could handle weapons anyway
Menelvagor Valar: but I shouldn't quote on the books too much, haven't reread yet :-)
VardaValar1: Can always drag out a book and flip through to the spot : )
VardaValar1: You thought the room was little?
MaglorV: page 420 in my book :-)
VardaValar1: Had lighting from up high I think?
MaglorV: in Bridge of Khazad-dum
Eonwe Valar: The hill trolls at the Battle of the Morrannon were described as agile and cunning, weren't they?
VardaValar1: Single-minded attackers
Eonwe Valar: if they took time to bite out their victim's throats, I'd hope they were agile
VardaValar1: aye : )
Menelvagor Valar: ok, it is green
Menelvagor Valar: and scaled
Menelvagor Valar: not just one big hide
VardaValar1: Just had to revert to type instead of remembering weapon. Ah the yumminess
VardaValar1: Scaled, aye
VardaValar1: Don't remember if the movie showed any scales
Eonwe Valar: well, I'd hope for their sakes,.. if I was fightinig them I'd hope they were slow as molasses :}
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe!
VardaValar1: Need a blade like Frodo's, too
VardaValar1: Boromir's just bounced off, as I remember
MaglorV: "The hobbit's bite is deep"
VardaValar1: Boromir's would have been a really good blade, being the Stewards' heir
MaglorV: but it wasn't Sting
VardaValar1: Needed that extra
VardaValar1: Go Sting!
MaglorV: not an elven blade, forged in Gondolin :-)
VardaValar1: Better get rid of the trolls while elven weapons are still around!
Menelvagor Valar: both of you are correct :-)
VardaValar1: Yay us : )
Eonwe Valar: If the Steward was as fortunate as the king, it would be a Dwarf blade
MaglorV: Who had a dwarf blade?
Eonwe Valar: As I recall, Narsil was forged by Telchar the Dwarf
Menelvagor Valar: excuse my personal preference, but I'd say a Gondolin sword was better than a dwarven blade
VardaValar1: Aye, fka Turgon.
Eonwe Valar: Menelvagor, I would love nothing more than to be able to agree with you :}
VardaValar1: No bias there, of course
MaglorV: hehe, I'm and elf fan too
VardaValar1: And reforged by Rivendell elves
Menelvagor Valar: well, of course, I must admit that the very best of blades were made by Eol
VardaValar1: Double good
Menelvagor Valar: and he had extensive knowledge of Dwarven smithying
Eonwe Valar: believe me, I would like to say Elves all the way, but I've seen too many inferences that seem to say Dwarves were superior in the durability of weapons and armor
MaglorV: they were definately better at building
VardaValar1: Go Dwarves!
VardaValar1: But Anduril had some elf help
Menelvagor Valar: but after the Silmarillion, they have rarely made any swords
Menelvagor Valar: usually axes
Menelvagor Valar: lots and lots of axes
Eonwe Valar: Elves of course had other things to bring to the table when making their weapons.
VardaValar1: Where do you get that, Menelvagor?
VardaValar1: Go Elves : )
Menelvagor Valar: well.... the council of Elrond is one hint, all Dwarves there bore axes
Menelvagor Valar: and in the Hobbit, as I recall, none of the Dwarves used swords in the Battle of the five Armies
VardaValar1: You going by book or movie?
Menelvagor Valar: this is book
MaglorV: There were swords AND axes littlered on the floor of Balin's tomb
VardaValar1: Mirkwood elves used spears too. Wouldn't guess from movie
Menelvagor Valar: of course, admitted, only Dwarves I remember at the council are Gimli and Gloin
MaglorV: and it says only SOME of trhe swords were crooked orc swords
Menelvagor Valar: or was it Oin...? :-)
Menelvagor Valar: good point there Maglor
VardaValar1: Gimli and Gloin were at the Council in the book, aye. Not a crowd
Menelvagor Valar: but given the Dwarves height, I would say they would make few swords, other than for "export"
MaglorV: in real life axes are all but useless in battle...
MaglorV: thats why the Romans kept winning
VardaValar1: Don't tell that to the Vikings
Menelvagor Valar: no, that was superior battle tactics
VardaValar1: or the axe throwers
Eonwe Valar: Well, a sword for a Dwarf would be different than a sword for a human
MaglorV: haha, the vikings didnt have many full battles, lots of raids
MaglorV: different tactics
Menelvagor Valar: Axes are usually better than swords
MaglorV: haha
VardaValar1: An axe can sure give a sword a problem
MaglorV: yeah, but an axe cant parry
Menelvagor Valar: at least, when used under the right circumstances
Menelvagor Valar: it can parry
VardaValar1: I've seen them parry
MaglorV: one swing, and you have to hit, or the guy with the sword will gut you
Menelvagor Valar: the only thing they can't really do is thrust
VardaValar1: Some types of axes have a sharp point added for just that
Menelvagor Valar: well, try to miss with a sword and have your head cut off by the axe :-)
Eonwe Valar: A quick swordsman would have the advantage against an axe though, I'd think, since axes are topheavy.
Menelvagor Valar: indeed Varda
Menelvagor Valar: true, Eonwe, but therefore the right circumstances
MaglorV: exactly what im trying to say Eonwe :-)
Menelvagor Valar: If you pitted an Axemaster against a Swordmaster, I bet it would be a tie
MaglorV: haha
VardaValar1: I'd go for a bow ;-)
MaglorV: lol
Menelvagor Valar: then again, the Bowmaster (or mistress) would come out on top putting a couple arrows through both :-)
Eonwe Valar: assuming they couldn't parry the arrows
MaglorV: hehe, that would be awesome
VardaValar1: Keep them busy holding up shields : )
VardaValar1: That would be cool to see, sword parrying arrows
MaglorV: have you ever seen the skeletons of Welsh bowmen?
Menelvagor Valar: the Romans had their shielding very well arranged
MaglorV: they are soo messed up from pulling the bowstring
VardaValar1: Lot of rank and file bowmen had truly awful bows
Menelvagor Valar: the square shields can block virtually any incoming arrow, except for the small slit in front to look out of
VardaValar1: Not much more than a stick with a string
VardaValar1: Aye, Romans were deadly
MaglorV: but the Welsh were the best of the best, had a bow with like 80 pounds of pull
VardaValar1: Go Welsh! ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: and if there would be an incoming volley, they would just shut the shields together and place the top ones over the front ones to eliminate that slit
VardaValar1: Keep them on the defensive, good plan
Eonwe Valar: you can still move in that formation, be it slowly
VardaValar1: Romans could advance holding up shields though
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe
VardaValar1: Back up, bowmen!
Menelvagor Valar: well, with several Legions (1000 men) used in most campaigns, you would need a massive amount of bowmen to halt them for long
MaglorV: ahh, but bowmen werent widely used in roman times
Eonwe Valar: and a massive number of arrows
VardaValar1: Clout!
MaglorV: the archer really wasnt a battle winning force until the 100 years war
Menelvagor Valar: true, I think the only one who has ever really utterly routed the Romans was Hannibal
Menelvagor Valar: Roman formations were not used to having Elephants trampling through them :-)
MaglorV: the British beat them in 4 ad
MaglorV: im mean 49 ad...
MaglorV: 4 ad the british lost :-(
Menelvagor Valar: yet the south of Britain came under Roman rule
MaglorV: yeah, later
MaglorV: Ceasars invasion failed utterly
Menelvagor Valar: which one?
VardaValar1: but they were assimalated...
MaglorV: what does this have to do with Tolkien?
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: weapons, we tangented
Eonwe Valar: We were discussing weaponry :}
VardaValar1: Thanks for reminder : )
MaglorV: ahh... Digressions, gotta love 'em
Menelvagor Valar: we're famous for them :-)
MaglorV: yeah
Menelvagor Valar: we should trademark it
VardaValar1: As long as they are good digressions : )
MaglorV: hey, I thought of a Tolkien topic
Menelvagor Valar: Degression tm, by The Valar Guild
VardaValar1: A third one? Cool
VardaValar1: hehe, Menel
MaglorV: what are the differences between the Gandalf of The Hobbit and the Gandalf of LOTR
VardaValar1: Not so much from the hobbits PoV
MaglorV: what I mean is they act quite different
VardaValar1: He had to interact with others than hobbits, making him change a lot
VardaValar1: Dwarves, he also interacted with in the Hobbit
MaglorV: the first thing that had me think of this is when he almost kills himself, when they are in the trees
VardaValar1: Jog my memory, please
Menelvagor Valar: same here :-)
MaglorV: im trying to find it, 1 second
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Menel, you're rereading LotR, right? About where are you now?
MaglorV: Here is part: Now you can understand why Gandalf, listening to their growling andyelping, began to be dreadfully afraid, wizard though he was, and to feelthat they were in a very bad place, and had not yet escaped at all.
VardaValar1: warg riders
MaglorV: Then Gandalf climbed to the top of his tree. The sudden splendourflashed from his wand like lightning, as he got ready to spring down from onhigh right among the spears of the goblins.
MaglorV: That would have been the end ofhim, though he would probably have killed many of them as he came hurtlingdown like a thunderbolt.
MaglorV: I cant imagine the more mature Gandalf of the LOTR doing this
Menelvagor Valar: no, not rereading yet
VardaValar1: Aye, Maglor. Definite change there
Menelvagor Valar: will finish Wheel of Time part 9 first
MaglorV: hehe
MaglorV: do I know how to kill a chat or what?
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: That wasn't a killer. Very interesting
VardaValar1: Gandalf was less powerful and wise in the Hobbit
VardaValar1: He needed to be much more to handle the LotR plot
MaglorV: more of a traveling conjurer, sometimes a fool
Menelvagor Valar: yet some of his suicidal traits could be seen in LotR as well
VardaValar1: Can't think of him as a fool. Pippin, maybe
MaglorV: i mean in The Hobbit
VardaValar1: Self-sacrificing, rather than suicidal : )
Menelvagor Valar: he knew full well he couldn't stand against the Balrog in Moria
Menelvagor Valar: what I mean :-)
VardaValar1: That was self-sacrifice. Aye
MaglorV: true, that was self sacrificing
VardaValar1: He did it for the good of the world
MaglorV: but the Hobbit excerpt isnt quite the same
Menelvagor Valar: well
MaglorV: he hasnt provided a way for the others to escape
VardaValar1: It was also self-sacrifice though
Menelvagor Valar: I know somewhere there is a reason for why he wanted Smaug removed
MaglorV: so they would have been up a tree without a wizard
VardaValar1: He would have blown a hole in the enemy, maybe letting others escape
MaglorV: maybe
VardaValar1: They were without a wizard a long time. Bilbo had to fill in
Menelvagor Valar: because Sauron might have used him and the North of ME would be in shambles
Eonwe Valar: If Smaug were not removed before the WotR, that would've been another weapon for Sauron to bring upon the Free Peoples
VardaValar1: Smaug caused a weak spot, aye
Menelvagor Valar: the mission to remove Smaug was at that time as vital as the Ring would become later
VardaValar1: Sauron would have manipulated him into attacking
MaglorV: the story of Gandalf's planning of that is interesting
MaglorV: its made to look like it was just luck that Gandalf started it
Menelvagor Valar: true
Menelvagor Valar: but so it was luck, or fate that started the Quest for the Ring
Menelvagor Valar: namely, by that chance meeting of Thorin in Bree
MaglorV: yeah
MaglorV: "But at last there came about by chance a meeting between Gandalf and Thorin that changed all the fortunes of the House of Durin, and led to other and greater ends beside."
Menelvagor Valar: aye
MaglorV: "On a time Thorin, returning west from a journey, stayed at Bree for the night. There Gandalf was also. He was on his way to the Shire, which he had not visited for some twenty years."
Menelvagor Valar: and mark, greater ends :-)
MaglorV: yep
Menelvagor Valar: and this is in Appendices, right?
MaglorV: yeah
MaglorV: "The Dragon Sauron might use with terrible effect. How then could the end of Smaug be achieved?"
MaglorV: "It was even as Gandalf sat and pondered this that Thorin stood before him, and said: 'Master Gandalf, I know you only by sight, but now I should be glad to speak with you."
MaglorV: "For you have often come into my thoughts of late, as if I were bidden to seek you. Indeed I should have done so, if I had known where to find you.'"
MaglorV: interesting start to such a wonderful series of events :-)
MaglorV: ....
Menelvagor Valar: well... Tolkien often stated such events as fate
Menelvagor Valar: not luck
MaglorV: yeah, or the will of some other force (read Valar)
Menelvagor Valar: seems we have gone awohl this time :-)
VardaValar1: For you have often come into my thoughts of late, as if I were bidden to seek you.
Menelvagor Valar: not just yet I guess :-)
VardaValar1: Chance, heh
VardaValar1: Valar messing around
MaglorV: yep
VardaValar1: I had to toss some dead animal in the oven for dinner : )
VardaValar1: ribs of same
Menelvagor Valar: haha :-)
MaglorV: lol, that is a very appetizing way of saying it
Menelvagor Valar: cow?
VardaValar1: Wouldn't tell that to the diners
VardaValar1: Aye
MaglorV: mmm
VardaValar1: Didn't take it down with a bow.
VardaValar1: Chance. We can often read that as Valar in Tolkien : )
Menelvagor Valar: aw
VardaValar1: Makes interesting reading, trying to see or make up between the lines
MaglorV: yeah
Menelvagor Valar: or read later some in betweens that have been in betweens in former chapters :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
Menelvagor Valar: Menelvagor or Turgon, I remain uncannily crafted in confusing sentences :-)
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: I'm going to bug out, play some WoW
MaglorV: hehe, me too
VardaValar1: Probably should get work done instead
VardaValar1: but hey, it's Sunday ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: and I'm out to play FF-X2
VardaValar1: Happy hunting!
VardaValar1: Be it axe, sword, bow, or knife : )
Menelvagor Valar: will keep chat open in case of any events, for saving purposes
VardaValar1: Thank you!
MaglorV: ok, namarie all. See you in game Varda ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: all of them I think
VardaValar1: See you there, Kanafinwe : )
Menelvagor Valar: but instead of bow, guns
Eonwe Valar: Anybody know someone named Aloha 5463?
VardaValar1: Not offhand
MaglorV has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: not sure I remember correctly
VardaValar1: Why?
Menelvagor Valar: but I think he is leafie's lover
Eonwe Valar: I recieved a PM from them last week as well, asked if there was something I could help them with, and they said no
Eonwe Valar: ok, then I'm not accepting the pm
VardaValar1: What pm for?
Eonwe Valar: nothing,.. it contained no message except hi
Menelvagor Valar: heh
Menelvagor Valar: hate those
VardaValar1: I'm glad it's not for me : )
VardaValar1: Off to reconnect
Eonwe Valar: hf
VardaValar1: You bet!
VardaValar1: Have to catch up with Sauron : )