Valar Guild

December 19, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST
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Transcript team: Ar-Pharazon, Varda

    Tolkien chat:
        Flame of Udun
        The balrog in Moria was much more powerful than balrogs in the very early BoLT stories.
        How did Gollum escape Moria, or Balin's tomb, and for that matter how did the Orcs chase the Fellowship?

Meeting Begins
   Messages of greeting from: Fladrif, Lungorthin
    Farmer Maggot is grounded
    Arathorn, Ar-pharazon, Ecthelion (after-meeting), Eonwe, Eowyn (WoW), Finarfin, Fladrif (before-meeting), Galdor (after-meeting), Gil-galad (after-meeting), Gilraen, Grimbold, Lungorthin, Farmer Maggot, Menelvagor, Scatha (after-meeting), Thorondor, Varda (presiding)
    Over the shoulder: Elwing-(V)

    Tolkien-related Books and Reviews page
    Volcano Run - in before-meeting
    Legend of Zelda
    D2X - Finarfin, Tulkasrunewords. Get-together after meeting Finarfin, Thorondor.
        Getting together to try to set up the guild charter. We needed ten accounts but only had six. We learned more about setting up guilds, and more folk are now able to come to the main meeting area, and therefore to act as escorts next time. How to travel anyplace link. We will need to collect 10 gold to unlock the tabard, and 1 gold per character to have a tabard. Using a Raid channel for getting together for the charter helped a lot, but can't do individual quests meanwhile.  Donations may be WoW-mailed to Auros/Eonwe-(Valar) or given on the day of charter. He is keeping track of donations on paper. After we make the guild, more characters may be added by the guild leader or guild officers.
    D2X and WoW gamers met for their respective games.
    Coordinating WoW members.

You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
FINARFIN010 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
VardaValar1: Egad! Fin!
FINARFIN010: yup
FINARFIN010: hehe
FINARFIN010: I just walked in the door.
FINARFIN010: still have my coat on
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Figured you'd be slaving away over 20 hot stoves :-)
ArPharazonV: in game.. brb
VardaValar1: Aiya
VardaValar1: np
VardaValar1: not meeting time
FINARFIN010: i have had about Enough of stoves this week
FINARFIN010: hehe
VardaValar1: I'll bet!
FINARFIN010: So how have you ben
FINARFIN010: been
VardaValar1: This time of day is our usual before-meeting
VardaValar1: Very good!
FINARFIN010: gool
VardaValar1: Got into World of WarCraft
FINARFIN010: yeah i heard hhe
FINARFIN010: hehe
VardaValar1: Even more addictive than EQ unfortunately
FINARFIN010: i am about the only one left to hold the torch for dx2
VardaValar1: Luckily 4 other people play it too and it is only on one comp
VardaValar1: Oh cool!
VardaValar1: Seen Tulkas?
ArPharazonV: ok, back
VardaValar1: He plays mornings
ArPharazonV: run from the lava did not take long
VardaValar1: Not meeting time, Phar, you can play
VardaValar1: What game?
FINARFIN010: i am going to get a shack
FINARFIN010: afk
ArPharazonV: 'volcano run'
VardaValar1: And take off coat ;-)
FINARFIN010: hehe thanks.
ArPharazonV: warcraft 3 map
VardaValar1: Elwing is over here watching Eowyn play WoW : )
ArPharazonV: oh, before I forget:
ArPharazonV: what is Udun?
ArPharazonV: as in the flame of
ArPharazonV: ?
VardaValar1: It is a place in Mordor
VardaValar1: In the map, it shows as the top left corner :-)
VardaValar1: Enter there I think, have to re-check
ArPharazonV: ah, you are correct
ArPharazonV: yet I wonder what the flame of udun is supposed to mean
ArPharazonV: I know what the flame of anor is, of course
ArPharazonV: anor being the sun, or the setting sun
sauronjag has entered the room.
sauronjag: hola :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Lungorthin, have you had a chance to do any updating on the Books page?
VardaValar1: I located some more and wondered if I sent them to you if you would be putting them up
sauronjag: I could definitely get them up if you could send them to me.. I don't have much time to do a lot of research on my own because of school :-( but I just got on break now so I'll have some more time
VardaValar1: If we help out, you don't have to do the research, just put it on the page :-)
VardaValar1: Joys of being web guy
sauronjag: haha, sounds wonderful :-)
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Finarfin says he still plays D2X
VardaValar1: Tulkas has been playing
VardaValar1: Do you still play it any?
sauronjag: maybe once a month if I'm lucky :-)
sauronjag: I try to keep my characters updated
VardaValar1: At least keeping them alive, very good :-)
VardaValar1: Do you play regular or ladder characters?
VardaValar1: It defaults to ladder, heh
sauronjag: both, but I think I'm too far behind in ladder :-)
sauronjag: yeah
VardaValar1: We havea guild "Ladder"
VardaValar1: It is just a way of keeping friends' lists updated mainly
VardaValar1: We have all sizes
VardaValar1: Even 5 ; )
sauronjag: haha
sauronjag: okay then
VardaValar1: We play it like regular
VardaValar1: Be sure to send in your account name to me for showing on the ladder page
VardaValar1: Most D2X players seem to think they are the only ones playing
sauronjag: okay
sauronjag: yeah I felt that way too
VardaValar1: You have anything you want to have said at the meeting?
VardaValar1: Send in books and reviews? ; )
sauronjag: aye :-) tell everyone I say hello I haven't been very active!
VardaValar1: You bet
VardaValar1: Once a month email to me or just anything we can look up takes care of monthly contact
VardaValar1: Forum, news item
VardaValar1: Any contribution to the Tolkien Encyc ; )
VardaValar1: We'll have to be doing the year-end activity sweep
VardaValar1: The ones who get dropped don't answer their email and haven't been seen anywhere in ages
VardaValar1: You are covered : )
ArPharazonV: I email you about every week ;-)
VardaValar1: Phar is absolutely covered ;-)]
FladrifV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya!
sauronjag: haha
sauronjag: :-)
sauronjag: okay I have to get going
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie
VardaValar1: Thanks for dropping in
sauronjag: I will see you all in awhile :-) Namarie
sauronjag has left the room.
VardaValar1: Anyone have the Extended RotK?
ArPharazonV: I bought it for Christmas, so haven't watched it yet :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: I was told not to run out and buy it : )
ArPharazonV: for now, I'm re-watching the first two movies, extended of course
ArPharazonV: so I can catch up with the story again, as it is portrayed in the movies ;-)
VardaValar1: : )
ArPharazonV: will watch TT this week, did Fellowship last week
ArPharazonV: just a few chapters a day, and I should be ready right before Christmas :-D
ArPharazonV: also, on a slower pace, I continue rereading the books
ArPharazonV: Merry and Pippin escaped into Fangorn Forest yesterday :-)
VardaValar1: Very good : )
ArPharazonV: I read the Uruk-hai chapter in one go last night
VardaValar1: You must have liked the action : )
ArPharazonV: and found a lot of orc-names I recognize from the lotr-boardgame
ArPharazonV: but which I couldn't directly identify until reading the chapter again
VardaValar1: I dug up the FotR from behind Eoywn : )
ArPharazonV: Ugluk, Grishnakh, Snaga, Lugdush...
VardaValar1: In Bridge of Khazad-dum
ArPharazonV: cool
VardaValar1: Most noticeable difference is the balrog's power since BoLT
ArPharazonV: oh, yes, I'm wondering about that chapter too, though
ArPharazonV: about Gollum
VardaValar1: A swordsman like Aragorn could not take him
ArPharazonV: if the Bridge was cast down in the battle of Gandalf and the Balrog....
VardaValar1: even backed up by Boromir and Legolas and Gimli
ArPharazonV: how did Gollum escape Moria?
VardaValar1: There were other ways
VardaValar1: and he can climb steep things
ArPharazonV: and if he was following the Fellowship, how did he get past Balin's tomb?
VardaValar1: He could have come through after orcs did
VardaValar1: and he did not have to go the same route
ArPharazonV: well, unless he was to take the path over the fire which would have otherwised blocked the Fellowship
ArPharazonV: he would have had to go through the Tomb
VardaValar1: He could have been among the orcs too
VardaValar1: Maybe he went along the wall
VardaValar1: Quite a climber
ArPharazonV: or perhaps... do we even know he came out before the Orcs?
VardaValar1: nope
ArPharazonV: the next time he shows up is in Lorien, about the time the Orcs from Moria get there
Musics4Me2 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: He may have come with the orcs
VardaValar1: Aiya Farmer
Musics4Me2: Aiya
ArPharazonV: and it is said, that the Orcs made small bridges over the fire... he could have gone after or with them, aye
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: that would explain a lot, I suppose
ArPharazonV: oh, and there's that... if the Bridge was cast down, how did those Orcs get out of Moria anyway?
VardaValar1: The side door ;-)
VardaValar1: They probably built a new bridge too
ArPharazonV: wasn't the Bridge there to force any invading Orcs to pass in single file before they could advance?
VardaValar1: Not as fancy in that time! and with no dwarf help
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya!
Eonwe Valar: heya :}
ArPharazonV: a sidedoor, or an easily replacement, would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the old Bridge
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: They were not the dwarves
ArPharazonV: *easy
ArPharazonV: you say the Orcs actually made the side-door?
VardaValar1: But they could have built a replacement since they had control of the area
VardaValar1: No, I made that up
VardaValar1: Some were already on the other side, such as the ones the Fellowship passed at the exit
Eonwe Valar: I seem to have missed the beginning of an interesting discussion
Eonwe Valar: Moria?
ArPharazonV: yes
ArPharazonV: how the Orcs and Gollum got out after Gandalf cast down the Bridge
GilraenV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Aiya
GilraenV: aiya
ArPharazonV: Gilraen, Gwaihir made a WoW-character for you?
GilraenV: I made it myself, actually ;-)
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: with an American version?
FINARFIN010: back
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back both
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: well that was interesting
ArPharazonV: wat is Elvish for both?
Eonwe Valar: guess I know not to hit escape now
VardaValar1: heh
VardaValar1: I'll let you look it up : )
GilraenV: no. I'm in Canada. On Gwai's computer.
Eonwe Valar: thnx for the wb's
ThorondorV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
GilraenV: which reminds me, Varda you missed me off the attendees for the week before last, and I was reading over Gwai's shoulder last week, mostly asleep I'll admit, but he forgot to say
ThorondorV: Heya fellows
VardaValar1: okies
Eonwe Valar: heya Eagle :}
GilraenV: Aiya Thorondor
: thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Put you down as an over the shoulder, Gilraen?
GilraenV: hehe. sure.
FINARFIN010: hehehe
: Elwing is sitting between two comps right now, watching the chat and Eowyn on WoW
VardaValar1: Gilraen, you are now listed on the News : )
GilraenV: woo thanks :-)
VardaValar1: My pleasure
ArPharazonV: I won a Fellowship-game in War3 today because of Eowyn :-)
FINARFIN010: congrats
: wow is addictive. I've been playing it all day (Gwai's at work, as usual during meetings, lol)
ArPharazonV: it was a team-game, 9 players, each one of the Fellowship
ArPharazonV: and as the game progressed, some players got extra heroes
Musics4Me2: <random note> I need to duct tape the chair I'm on.... kinda has holes in it :-P
ArPharazonV: I, being Merry, got Eowyn
VardaValar1: Run grab duct tape. Scroll later
Musics4Me2: yeah, don't know where it is though :-(
ArPharazonV: and mainly because of dual hero-experience-points, as well as huge amounts of unit-kills, I came out on top of the score-list at the end :-D
VardaValar1: ask : )
Musics4Me2: did, hours ago :-P
ArathornValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: so, one could say, Eowyn won the game for me ;-)
FINARFIN010: aiya
: Nice, Phar : )
VardaValar1: Let's start the meeting

Meeting Begins:
VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: Lungorthin sends greetings
FladrifV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Elwing says hi from this side of the screen
ArPharazonV: *returns hi*
VardaValar1: We've had a number of people say they are interested in the guild, but not following up
VardaValar1: Any other member news?
Musics4Me2: I'm gonna take it that grounding counts as member news.
ArathornValar: Grims a tad late .. had a clinic thingy
VardaValar1: Yes : )
Musics4Me2: 5 weeks no computer. Again. Laziness. Again.
VardaValar1: Well get with it and stay with us : )
VardaValar1: and thanks for letting us know what happened to you : )
ArPharazonV: I can be lazy all I want... the trick is being just above the point where my parents start noticing it :-)
Musics4Me2: heh

VardaValar1: Web News:
FINARFIN010: lol
: Lungorthin asks for your help
VardaValar1: He has the page for Tolkien books and reviews
VardaValar1: School is eating his research time and he needs us to send him info for the page
VardaValar1: Any books on Tolkien subjects, any reviews you make of any such books
ArathornValar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Can be short review, even just you do or do not recommend
VardaValar1: Any other web news?

VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: We still have people playing D2X
VardaValar1: They think they are all alone
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Make sure to send in your account name for the ladder page or Activity page to update friends lists
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
Musics4Me2: I should be able to play in 5 weeks (will have comp built then)
VardaValar1: Eonwe hs the floor
VardaValar1: has
: Cool, Farmer!
ArathornValar has entered the room.
GilraenV: I still play it. at home. but the only people I see ae Gwai, and occasionally Thorondor and ARathorn *sniffle*
VardaValar1: Tulkas was on as AstaldoV
ArathornValar: that's not our thorondor btw :-P
VardaValar1: I come on now and then
GilraenV: but I have wow to entertain me here. and Gwai can't find his LOD cd.
VardaValar1: ThorondorV is not our Thorondor?
ArathornValar: ahh sorry.. just got back in.. you're talking about LoD..
ThorondorV: Hmm? :-)
ArathornValar: I was thinking the Thorondor in WoW
MaglorV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: If you mean on WoW, aye, he is a Tolkien fan
Eonwe Valar: There's a Thorondor in WoW?
ArathornValar: yup
VardaValar1: With a brother named Ancalagon who is not ours either
Musics4Me2: afk, dinner -> will scroll
VardaValar1: I've seen many Tolkien names
Eonwe Valar: interesting
ThorondorV: Sorry I was chatting with Eönwe, missed your comments
VardaValar1: Get yours fast : )
VardaValar1: Scroll, np
ArPharazonV: seen any Pharazons yet?
ArathornValar: There's an Arathorn too who is not me :-\
GilraenV: mainly Nightelves I've seen with TOlkien or tolkien-esque names
VardaValar1: Eonwe has the floor
ArathornValar: That's why I'm ArathornV
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda :}
ThorondorV: I'm not in WoW..
Eonwe Valar: As was announced last week and on the Forum, we will be trying to form the Valar GUild in WoW today
Eonwe Valar: Right after the meeting
ArPharazonV: remember the screenshots! have you made the journey to Stormwind yet?
Eonwe Valar: For those who missed it, we will be meeting in Cathedral Square in Stormwind
Eonwe Valar: Screenshots are saved in TGA format, not Jpeg, so if someone here has a photoshop program that can convert the screenshots so everyone can see, we'd appreciate it :}
MaglorV: I can do that :-)
Eonwe Valar: Excellent, our web page guy is also our Screenshot converter :}
ArPharazonV: any chance of putting a screenshot-section on that page?
MaglorV: yeah, the only problem is geocity's web space, only 15mb
ArPharazonV: ouch...
VardaValar1: You can use other space too
VardaValar1: Link to it
MaglorV: yeah, shouldn't be too much of a problem
VardaValar1: We do it a lot for our pages
GilraenV: put them on a free image hosting site and direct link?
VardaValar1: Right
Eonwe Valar: in TGA format the screenshots are about 4 kb
Eonwe Valar: shouldn't be too much bigger as a jpeg
MaglorV: yeah, depends on the players resolution though, i think
Eonwe Valar: Well, I'm on 1152xwhatever the second number is :}
ArathornValar: I have photoshop
Eonwe Valar: SO you can convert TGA to Jpeg as well Arathorn?
ArathornValar: yes. Believe I mentioned that last week at some point.
Eonwe Valar: ok
Eonwe Valar: That make 2 :}
ArathornValar: Also mentioned anoteher program that has a free trial period, one you've used
Eonwe Valar: which one would that be?
ArathornValar: er...
ArathornValar: name eludes me now
VardaValar1: Paint
Eonwe Valar: ok
ArathornValar: shoudl be in last week's transcript
Eonwe Valar: Paint does it?
Musics4Me2: back
ArathornValar: Paint opens tgas?
: Think it's one you mentioned
Eonwe Valar: My computer's Paint doesn't
ArathornValar: no, it was a commercial one ..hmm..
VardaValar1: We can look it up on the transcript
MaglorV: mine doesn't either
VardaValar1: Any further Gaming News?
ArathornValar: Paintshop
Eonwe Valar: Everyone knows how to reach Stormwind, right?
VardaValar1: Eonwe, will there be an escort this weekend?
ThorondorV: Hmm new runewords in D2 if anyone interested :-)
Eonwe Valar: if one is needed, one can be arranged
VardaValar1: Thorondor, are they listed on Arreat Summit yet?
FINARFIN010: what is the word?
: Yes, they all are..
ThorondorV: 23 new words
FINARFIN010: ok i have seen them
: Those of you with WoW, are you on it now?
VardaValar1: You can have AIM at the same time
Eonwe Valar: I need to go afk for real quick
VardaValar1: Good plan
MaglorV: i am, wrong server though :-)
VardaValar1: We need people to start heading to Lothar and to Stormwind
VardaValar1: So scoot to Lothar, Maglor : )
MaglorV: ok, omw
Menelvagor Valar: would love to.... but....
VardaValar1: You can be one of the founders
VardaValar1: Those who can, Menel : )
Menelvagor Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: You will get to join us later, I hope!
ArPharazonV: come, Menel... we shall observe them from here
VardaValar1: Eowyn has my WoW comp
GilraenV: hmm. my Lothar character is on the wrong continent, and I have no idea how to get there.
FINARFIN010: well have fun.
Menelvagor Valar: just woulda loved to be one of the founders, just like TFT :-)
ArPharazonV: and join them when our time comes
VardaValar1: Gilraen, we can help with that
VardaValar1: We tried it last week and it worked great
FINARFIN010: i am off to play on dx2
GilraenV: hehe. just lemme check where one of gwai's is
VardaValar1: Any other D2X'ers to go with Fin?
ArPharazonV: I know, Menel... but it can't be helped
VardaValar1: Menel? Phar?
ThorondorV: I'm idle in the channel right now
FINARFIN010: namarie
ThorondorV: might join you Fin later
FINARFIN010 has left the room.
VardaValar1: and Thorondor : )
ArPharazonV: I don't have Diablo
ArPharazonV: well, I have Diablo.... but not Diablo 2
ArPharazonV: or the expansion
VardaValar1: Gilraen, you can start heading south since you are in Teldrassil
VardaValar1: Go to Darnassus along the road
GilraenV: I don't know how to get out of teldrassil. lol
VardaValar1: The portal there takes you to the hippogryph master
GilraenV: gwai has one in ironforge... is that any closer?
VardaValar1: I'm telling you how, since I did it last weekend and yesterday : )
ArPharazonV: lemme find the link :-)
GilraenV: ahh
Menelvagor Valar: just a question...
VardaValar1: Then take the gryphons to Stormwind
GilraenV: the portal in darnassus?
Menelvagor Valar: how can Gilraen be in WoW already?
VardaValar1: Yes, Gil
VardaValar1: She's in Canada with Gwaihir
Menelvagor Valar: ah
VardaValar1: And yes, Gwai's characters need to come too : )
Menelvagor Valar: same account I take it?
VardaValar1: Aye
ArathornValar: er.. have a q about adding chars to the guild..
VardaValar1: It's like my family all on the same account
VardaValar1: Question away : )
ArPharazonV: 24 for all your starting-place-movement-plans
ArathornValar: Part1:Are we going to add more than one to it today or just the one to get the guild up?
VardaValar1: Enough to get the guild started
ArathornValar: Part2:...
VardaValar1: Be sure to bring in your primary guild character for the tabard though
ArathornValar: How do we go about adding the rest of our chars later?
ArathornValar: I will. My Human warlock is in lakeshire.. only a Gryphon flight away.
ArathornValar: just turned lvl20 :-)
VardaValar1: Congrats :-)
ArathornValar: so re q2?
ArathornValar: er ..part2 q
VardaValar1: I have some ideas on how we add later, but not sure yet
ArPharazonV: heh... no more speech of furlongs, miles, and leagues :-)
ArPharazonV: gryphon flights, boatrides, etc take its place
ArathornValar: ok. Let me know when you do. thx
Grimbold V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Try checking with the guild npc
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Grimbold V: My apologies, got caught up in quest and lost track of time.
VardaValar1: I know there is a way
ThorondorV: Well guys, I'll see what Finarfin is up to now... laters all :-)
ArathornValar: have a feeling once the guild is made it's a simple payment to the guild master
VardaValar1: Might need the guild leader (Eonwe) or officer to add you
ThorondorV has left the room.
VardaValar1: That is how it would be in EQ anyway
ArathornValar: Possibly but I'm hoping not
VardaValar1: I hate to think just anyone can join our guild by paying 10 silver
ArathornValar: I create 75 more characters yesterday <runs for cover...>
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
Eonwe Valar: sorry about that,..
Eonwe Valar: thanks :}
VardaValar1: np
ArathornValar: Hmm.. you make good point :/
VardaValar1: I know guild leader and officers will be able to invite, according to Blizzard
VardaValar1: Should be no problem
ArathornValar: Ok. that makes sense.
VardaValar1: Be careful you are inviting a real member : )
ArPharazonV: /guilds.html
ArPharazonV: Officers and Leaders can add and remove players from the guild.
VardaValar1: Eonwe, are you in WoW now?
VardaValar1: Eowyn is trying to fight her way to the square
ArathornValar: I keep crashing in WOW *heavy sigh*
VardaValar1: Continuous battle
ArPharazonV: it seems any player of the sufficient rank (ranks and rank-priviliges can be set by the guild-leaders) can invite people into the Guild
Eonwe Valar: sorry, was scrolling :}
VardaValar1: Gilraen is trying to come in from Teldrassil, but needs help
MaglorV: Im in Cathedral Sqaure awaiting friends :-)
VardaValar1: Yay Maglor!
Eonwe Valar: I'll be ther emomentarily
MaglorV: ok
ArathornValar: Eveery time I complete a quest in Lakeshire area I crash 3-4 times ... then it works afterwards (sent a note to WoW support with details)
Grimbold V: I'm near Stockades
Eonwe Valar: as for the tabard, that's 10 gold to unlock, and I'm not sure how much to buy,.. seems to be 1 gold
Grimbold V: but will offer my sword in escort to those needing it
VardaValar1: 1 gold each I think
ArathornValar: just got bumped again...
MaglorV: 1 gold to buy a tabard
VardaValar1: We wil need escorts
VardaValar1: Suralda/Gilraen will need help
Grimbold V: what race?
Eonwe Valar: Getting on WoW,.. escorts can go ahead and gather in Cathedral Square and we'll move to escort from there
ArathornValar: I have a gold on hy human now
Grimbold V: we need to know where everyone is etc to escort
ArathornValar: *my
ArPharazonV: so in total for the tabard you would need 11 gold?
Grimbold V: no 1g
VardaValar1: 1 gold each
Grimbold V: its 10g as a whole to get the tabard made
VardaValar1: per character
ArPharazonV: 10 gold to unlock, 1 gold to buy
MaglorV: 1g, the guild as a whole need 10 to make a tabard
ArathornValar: I could help with my elf .. then could maybe add him after too :-)
ArathornValar: IF I can get on again ...
VardaValar1: Eonwe gets to hold the money : )
VardaValar1: We need to pass it to him for unlocking charter and tabard
VardaValar1: Together we can do it
Grimbold V: ok no embezzeling of funds now there Eonwe or my mace and shield will hunt you *smirk*
VardaValar1: 10 gold is a lot though
ArPharazonV: my gold... my own... my precious....
MaglorV: I wish we could transfer characters :-( my dwarf would be able to unlock the tabard, and buy one for everyone...
MaglorV: hehe
VardaValar1: Should play on Lothar ;-)
VardaValar1: Let Eonwe coordinate the escort and money on WoW
MaglorV: yeah, but didnt know it was going to be Lothar when I started him
VardaValar1: I'm just helping from AIM so he can breathe
Eonwe Valar: FotR on TNT<.. Frodo's zoned out body bouncing around in front of Arwen,... my least favorite part approaches
VardaValar1: Right, Maglor. That's a problem
MaglorV: ok, going back to WoW :-)
VardaValar1: Don't look, Eonwe!
Grimbold V: I'm going too...meeting in Cathedral?
ArPharazonV: what's that, Eonwe? at the ford?
VardaValar1: the Square in front
ArPharazonV: your least favorite part?
Grimbold V: k
Eonwe Valar: aye
VardaValar1: Eonwe has the movie going : )
Grimbold V: heading there now
Menelvagor Valar: I'm off to bed, gotta catch up on some sleep
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie everyone
Eonwe Valar: muting,.. now I don't suffer :}
VardaValar1: Mara mesta
VardaValar1: heh
Eonwe Valar: sleep well Menelvagor :}
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: 'If you want him, come and claim him!
VardaValar1: Cruel, Phar : )
Eonwe Valar: oh gee thanks Phar,.. you're a big help :}
ArPharazonV: sorry :-)
ArPharazonV: heard that too much times in trailers
Eonwe Valar: but somehow not as bad as actually experiencing Arwen saying it :}
ArPharazonV: as well as rewatching the dvd in the past week
ArPharazonV: I can hear her voice saying it now...
ArPharazonV: in my head, that is
VardaValar1: heh
VardaValar1: Gilraen is now going from the Hippogryph master of Teldrassil
ArathornValar: finally! ok my human is flying to SW
ArPharazonV: Step 1 - From your starting location, head South out of Shadowglen and follow the road West through Dolanaar to Darnassus, the Night Elf capital city.
ArPharazonV: Step 2 - When you enter the city, keep heading West towards the western-most part of the city.
ArPharazonV: There is a purple portal there that will teleport you to the fishing village of Rut'theran located at the southern part of the island of Teldrassil. Simply walk into the purple aura.
VardaValar1: Gilraen is already headed to Auberdine
VardaValar1: on hippogryph back
ArPharazonV: Step 3 - At Rut'theran Village, there are 2 ways to travel to Auberdine, a town in Darkshore.
VardaValar1: Gryphons cost money
ArPharazonV: You can either take a flying trip via the Hippogryph Master or take a boat trip via the ship at the docks. Both are free.
ArPharazonV: The boat arrives once every 2 to 3 minutes so you may have to wait at the docks for one to arrive.
ArPharazonV: Darkshore? Is that Kalimdor or Lordaeron/Azeroth?
ArPharazonV: *looks at next picture, sees his answer*
ArPharazonV: never mind...
VardaValar1: Gilraen is in Auberdine
ArPharazonV: Step 4 - When you arrive at Auberdine, obtain the flight path from the Hippogryph Master located just south of the inn/docks.
ArPharazonV: Return/go to the docks and wait at the southern dock for the boat to Menethil Harbour. (The northern dock goes back to Teldrassil.)
ArPharazonV: Step 5 - Arriving at Menethil Harbour on the Eastern Kingdoms, first obtain the flight path from the Gryphon Master in the southeast corner of the town.
ArPharazonV: Note that you do not know any connecting flight paths yet, so you cannot actually use the Gryphon Master at this time.
ArPharazonV: Step 6 - From Menethil Harbour, follow the road and head east. Stay on the roads all the time and dodge the level 20-25 enemies wandering near the road if you can. You will most likely die about 1/3 of the way to the graveyard.
ArPharazonV: Ressurect at the Spirit Healer in the graveyard and proceed to head south towards Dun Algaz (a mountain pass to Loch Modan).
ArPharazonV: You will die a few more times on the way, perform corpse runs by running to your corpse from the Spirit Healer and ressurecting.
VardaValar1: Or you can have an escort of guild guys helping you
ArPharazonV: that would be without an escort, yes ;-)
VardaValar1: Escort much better : )
ArPharazonV: Step 7 - Enter the mountain pass/cave system into Dun Algaz and follow the winding path through the mountains. There are some level 20-25 Orc Archers in ambush, so you will likely die again unless they are killed by other players.
VardaValar1: Keep to the road!
ArPharazonV: If you do die, your spirit will be transported to the graveyard in Loch Modan, at the town of Thelsamar. Ressurect there and obtain the flight path at Thelsamar. You now have a flight path between Loch Modan and Wetlands.
VardaValar1: We only had two deaths last weekend
ArPharazonV: Step 8 - Head south from Dun Algaz (if you survived) towards the North Gate Pass that connects Dun Morogh and Loch Modan located in the Northwest of the zone,
ArPharazonV: otherwise if you are in Thelsamar, head south towards the South Gate Pass as it is a shorter travelling distance. Stay on the road at all times.
ArPharazonV: I don't know... the dying and ghost-proces seem like quite an experience, I think I'll try it a few times :-D
VardaValar1: You will : )
VardaValar1: But the spirit hits your armor so you need repairs
ArPharazonV: Step 9 - Follow the road west to Ironforge from North/South Gate Passes. Use the road signs that are located at every road junction.
ArPharazonV: Once you enter Ironforge, obtain the flight path from the Gryphon Master that is located in the middle of the city (see Figure 6). You now have a triangle flight path between Ironforge, Loch Modan and Wetlands.
VardaValar1: Do we have a guild escort available for night elves?
ArPharazonV: Step 10 - Locate a shop that sells armor or weapons of any sort, and repair your damaged equipment.
ArPharazonV: and so you get to Ironforge :-)
ArPharazonV: and I believe there's a railway system between Stormwind and Ironforge?
ArPharazonV: I'd be glad to escort you with my Gnome Warrior... unfortunately I can't create him yet for a few months :-(
ArPharazonV: in other news, I started playing another game in the last few days... Legend of Zelda for the pc :-)
ArPharazonV: also known as Zelda Classic
ArPharazonV: combined with an official-site-walkthrough, a monster-and-item-database on gamefaqs, and any map you could ever ask for also on gamefaqs, it's turning in quite the experience :-D
ArPharazonV: aye, I shall find ways to spend my time before WoW is released... don't worry :-)
VardaValar1: back
VardaValar1: Sounds fun : )
ArPharazonV: it is, indeed
ArPharazonV: never thought I would actually become oblivious of the flow of time around me with such an... 'ancient' game
GilraenV: *makes note of railway to get gwai's mage there* *will probably forget about railway and end up asking*
VardaValar1: Many of the ancient games depended on good play, not graphics
ArPharazonV: it's cool gameplay, yes
VardaValar1: You have a friend list made?
ArPharazonV: the interface is simple, and very effective
VardaValar1: Gilraen? Bunch of guild guys you can ask
VardaValar1: Auros, Kanafinwe
VardaValar1: Auros = Eonwe, Kanafinwe = Maglor
ArPharazonV: cursor keys to move about, alt for the sword, ctrl for the second 'weapon' which you can switch very easily between bow and arrow, boomerang, health-potion, and bombs, and enter for everything else...
VardaValar1: Eowyn, Harana, and Auros are at the Town Square
VardaValar1: I would guess some are escorting
GilraenV: *maked friends list*
GilraenV: *makes
VardaValar1: Mairowen = Eowyn
VardaValar1: The list is on our guild's WoW page and more spread out on the Forum under WoW, WoW characters
VardaValar1: ouch - we are disconnecting
VardaValar1: no, we are ok
VardaValar1: Grimbold had to go perform an emergency C-Section
VardaValar1: We are using a Raid channel for this : ) Good idea
GilraenV: oo. gwai may be back soon
VardaValar1: Where are you now, Gilraen, in WoW that is?
GilraenV: menethil harbour still
VardaValar1: Escort is heading your way
GilraenV: ok
VardaValar1: umm
GilraenV: ?
VardaValar1: They seem to have a problem
GilraenV: lol.
VardaValar1: Did you put Auros and Kanafinwe on your friend list?
VardaValar1: did you join the Raid channel?
VardaValar1: type /raid
GilraenV: yes and yes
VardaValar1: cool
GilraenV: ^.^
VardaValar1: Did they say what they want you to do?
GilraenV: wait there, I think...
VardaValar1: One problem is that not all the escort has the gryphon path and they don't want to break u
VardaValar1: up
GilraenV: mhm
ArPharazonV: can't they all walk?
VardaValar1: They seem to be
VardaValar1: But two continents away
ArPharazonV: hmm...
VardaValar1: Eowyn could have stayed there and let me on
VardaValar1: My character is near Gilraen's
VardaValar1: oh well
VardaValar1: I know I just want on : )
GilraenV: hehehe
VardaValar1: You can still walk around, kill things nearby that aren't too big, make some money
VardaValar1: You will need money :-)
ArPharazonV: good luck... 20/25 zone I think?
VardaValar1: If that's the way of it, maybe some cooking or other skill work? Fishing at Auberdine
VardaValar1: Under the pier is Glump, will trade a Glump family fishing pole for 6 groupers : )
VardaValar1: Nice white beach
ArPharazonV: fishing sounds nice.. perhaps you can find a treasure-chest :-)
VardaValar1: aye
ArPharazonV: a locked treasure chest...
ArPharazonV: we could beat the lock with Pippin's head, but if that does not shatter it, we could go find a key
VardaValar1: Arathorn was fishing by me and found a treasure chest
VardaValar1: Pippin's head should prove sufficient
Musics4Me2: well, I gotta get back to programming, Namarie!
ArPharazonV: Namarie
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VardaValar1: bye
ArPharazonV: well, I gotta go... early day tomorrow
ArPharazonV: I'll save the transcript now
ArPharazonV: done
ArPharazonV: kind of ironic....
ArPharazonV: I started playing the lotr-soundtrack when it was set on the main theme, the opening scene
ArPharazonV: and now I closed winamp with the Grey Havens playing :-)
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie, will be sending the transcript now
VardaValar1: aye, neat
VardaValar1: Thanks!
VardaValar1: We are going to watch TT now :-)
ArPharazonV: ok, have fun
VardaValar1: Elwing, Sauron, and I
ArPharazonV: escort done?
VardaValar1: ok :-)
VardaValar1: no
VardaValar1: Eowyn is in WoW, not us
VardaValar1: Only one comp
VardaValar1: They did reach Suralda/Gilraen
ArPharazonV: nice
ArPharazonV: it is sent
ArPharazonV: well, Namarie to you all
ArPharazonV: and I hope the guild is a success... and that I can join it some time next year
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VardaValar1: To sign the charter, we need accounts, not just characters.
VardaValar1: Not enough people are showing up
VardaValar1: I'm trying to rustle up some folks : )
GaldorV has entered the room.
GaldorV: A small crowd
VardaValar1: aiya
GaldorV: aiya
VardaValar1: Most are in WoW or in separate windows
GaldorV: Ive been playing less because the game always crashes ...cant fix it either
VardaValar1: eww
GaldorV: also real life comming first, that sort of thing
VardaValar1: WE all have that
GaldorV: I may be on more this week, off for Christmas
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GaldorV: Any I hate to run real quick, but Namarie again
VardaValar1: That would be cool
VardaValar1: Namarie!
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VardaValar1: Aiya Scatha
STEvilaim: hello
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VardaValar1: Aiya Ecthelion : )
suilenroc01: aiya
: What major, Ec?
VardaValar1: Sorry, Ecthelion : )
VardaValar1: I think some of the other guys here use Trillian too, Scatha
STEvilaim: ah
suilenroc01: hmm
: Not me, so not much help I fear : )
STEvilaim: no problem, i'm sure i'll figure it out eventually ;-)
VardaValar1: And if not, we do try to invite you during meetings
VardaValar1: That should help
suilenroc01: how is the WoW group doing?
: Or you can remind us when we don't
VardaValar1: We had a problem
suilenroc01: i'm way out of the loop
: Only 6 showed up for the charter signing
suilenroc01: whew
: how many do we need?
: 15?
: We thought we could use our characters, but we have to have accounts
VardaValar1: 10
suilenroc01: ahh
: wish i could help
: 5 of us share one account at my home
VardaValar1: You might : )
suilenroc01: truthfully, i'm on 56k
: We will keep trying every weekend
suilenroc01: so, it's going to be an issue playing until college to begin with
: i'm hoping to try it though
: We will still be around : )
suilenroc01: indeed
: not everyone falls off the face of the planet during the school year like i do
: Good to hear : )
VardaValar1: When you have limited time, the Forum could help
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suilenroc01: i'm certain
: vacation starts wednesday
: Yay!
suilenroc01: although i'm organizing a group of students to go and play christmas carol music at hospitals in boston
: Aiya Gil-galad : )
Xseanzee disco: hey varda.
VardaValar1: Oh that's wonderful!
VardaValar1: I'd go if I were in Boston
suilenroc01: it's going to be fun
: good way to spread the holiday cheer
: Gil, I lose track
VardaValar1: Do you have WoW?
VardaValar1: Indeed!
Xseanzee disco: nah - my brother does.
Xseanzee disco: it doesnt really catch my interest.
VardaValar1: Hospitals are very prison-like sometimes
VardaValar1: Gil, we are trying to start up the guild branch on WoW
VardaValar1: We need to collect 10 accounts, not just characters
Xseanzee disco: i dont think i am going to be able to join it.
VardaValar1: Would you be able to show up to help us start?
VardaValar1: If your brother has it, why not? Sounds like a sad story coming
VardaValar1: We are on Lothar server
Xseanzee disco: i'm not that familiar with WoW, can you switch accounts like how you switch names in other games?
VardaValar1: An account is one paid for thing
Xseanzee disco: o wow.
VardaValar1: You can be on lots of servers
VardaValar1: One server gives you 8 characters
Eonwe Valar: We were 4 short
Xseanzee disco: Could my brother do it for me?
VardaValar1: So if you could get on Lothar server
VardaValar1: Aiya Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: heya
VardaValar1: Gil-galad's brother has WoW
VardaValar1: Gil, why could you not do it?
VardaValar1: Is your brother guild material?
Xseanzee disco: Well, to be honest, i dont want to pay.
VardaValar1: Didn't he already pay?
VardaValar1: We have 5 people on our one account
Xseanzee disco: Sorry, let me clarify. He's GOING to get it.
VardaValar1: That is a big difference : )
Xseanzee disco: yeah
VardaValar1: That would be cool
Xseanzee disco: lol sry.
VardaValar1: Maybe he'll let you play at least one character on Lothar : )
VardaValar1: It could grow on you after trying it
Xseanzee disco: i could ask him if i could, but if he's a jerk, then sorry varda.
VardaValar1: np
VardaValar1: Maybe he'll surprise you :-)]
Xseanzee disco: haha - i have no doubt it would probably be a LOT of fun. but i've kind of made an effort to stay away from computer games.
VardaValar1: He could help you stay out like my family doews
VardaValar1: does
Xseanzee disco: i played warcraft 3 for the first time today in probably 4 months.
VardaValar1: We are forced to share
VardaValar1: Congrats : )
Xseanzee disco: hah ty.
VardaValar1: Makar might be willing to let you (Note from webworker Varda: Scatha/STEvilaim is the one with brother ex-Makar. Varda's wires got crossed.)
Xseanzee disco: to let me use one of his 8?
VardaValar1: On Lothar server
VardaValar1: He has tons of servers to play with
VardaValar1: Yes
Xseanzee disco: I dont want to be a downer, but i really dont intend to play a whole lot after i create the person.
VardaValar1: Maybe he'd be interested in coming back in too
VardaValar1: okie dokie
VardaValar1: But if you could help us make the branch, that would be cool : )
VardaValar1: You'd be a founder
Xseanzee disco: ooo my first title!
VardaValar1: We will manage, so don't let it worry you
VardaValar1: hehe
Xseanzee disco: Do you mean 10 accounts, or 10 characters?
VardaValar1: 10 accounts needed to make guild
Xseanzee disco: hmm.
VardaValar1: We had 6 make it tonight
VardaValar1: Just because my account has 5 real people does not matter
Xseanzee disco: Well, could my brother join under my alias?
Xseanzee disco: or would that be inappropriate?
VardaValar1: No
VardaValar1: He could join on his own
Eonwe Valar: Heya to Scatha, Makar, and Ecthelion
VardaValar1: He used to be Council. He would find being a Member again easy
STEvilaim: Makar?
VardaValar1: Aye
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, only we ought to give him a 10 question test :}
VardaValar1: hehe
Xseanzee disco: he's read the 3 lotr books. a couple years ago
Xseanzee disco: im not sure how into them he is.
VardaValar1: Well, if he'll just let you make one character on Lothar, that would be a big help
Xseanzee disco: Would the entire account be under the guild name?
Eonwe Valar: Your alias is you for a very good reason Ecthelion
Xseanzee disco: or just the character
VardaValar1: No, just the character
VardaValar1: Not like D2X
Xseanzee disco: never played :-)
Xseanzee disco: so, if my brother were to pass the 10 question test, then we would be killing two birds with one stone?
Xseanzee disco: or still one?
VardaValar1: Only one account would be for making the guild
VardaValar1: But any number of characters just to have fun
VardaValar1: The test is 5 questions. Eonwe was kidding
Eonwe Valar: I meant that about fka Makar Ecthelion
Eonwe Valar: thought that's who we were talking about
VardaValar1: Anyway, if you guys decide to try it, we're on Lothar server
VardaValar1: Our names for a friend list are listed on the Forum and our special WoW page, and even on the Activity page
VardaValar1: We will try every weekend until we get it
VardaValar1: We learn a lot every time
Eonwe Valar: Aye, and after that we can meet for quests
VardaValar1: Right!
VardaValar1: That Raid channel was handy
Eonwe Valar: aye
Eonwe Valar: talking to everyone at once
VardaValar1: We can figure D2X and WoW groups getting together after meetings
Xseanzee disco: How much is an account?
VardaValar1: That should help both groups
Eonwe Valar: the only downside is in a raid you don't get credit for nonraid quests
VardaValar1: oops
Eonwe Valar: hmm I should let the others know that right now,..
VardaValar1: Um, first month is free
Xseanzee disco: yippee.
VardaValar1: I think it is around $15
Xseanzee disco: PER MONTH?!
VardaValar1: I forget
VardaValar1: checking manual
VardaValar1: I'm still on free month :-)
VardaValar1: If your brother is paying it, it is free for your character on his account
STEvilaim: yeah, about $12 US/mo
STEvilaim: i'm too stingy to pay to play a game per month...
VardaValar1: We figure when multiple people play one account, it is much cheaper
VardaValar1: For instance, we are splitting it 5 ways
VardaValar1: You can get pre-paid time cards if you don't have a credit card
Eonwe Valar: yeah, 2 months per card
VardaValar1: So you would be splitting it, $6 apiece
VardaValar1: That is how to look at it anyway
Eonwe Valar: Speaking of free months, they gav eme a 3 day extension :}
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Annatar is in WoW now
Eonwe Valar: because of all those problems during the first few days, everyone who registered an accoutn within that time got a proportional extension
Xseanzee disco: o wow, blizzard is making WoW gift cards?
Eonwe Valar: first day = 4 day extension
Eonwe Valar: WoW prepaid gaming cards is a bit more like it :}
VardaValar1: sort of. They are a lot like a pre-paid credit card. Or a gift card to yourself
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VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: heya Lungorthin :}
sauronjag: Heyas :-)
Eonwe Valar: Don't have WoW do you? :}
sauronjag: long meetin aye?
sauronjag: nah
Eonwe Valar: ok worth a try :}
VardaValar1: This is the "After-meeting", hanging around together after the main meeting
VardaValar1: It also helps us get together on various games
VardaValar1: And if you're online anyway, why not hang out in the chat room? :-)
sauronjag: this is true :-) why I came in figured I'd see if anybody was still up haha
VardaValar1: I have to run back downstairs. Elwing is here and we're watching Two Towers :-)
VardaValar1: Since we are all over the world, we could have this place open 24/7 : )
VardaValar1: I'll be back and scroll
Eonwe Valar: on tv or DVD?
VardaValar1: and Sauron says hi : )
VardaValar1: DVD extended
Eonwe Valar: ah good :}
VardaValar1: Getting ready for the extended Rotk :-)
sauronjag: haha
Eonwe Valar: lucky :}
VardaValar1: and looking at Legolas ;-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: I'll peek back in after a bit
Eonwe Valar: hf :}
Xseanzee disco: O yeah, about the DVD.
suilenroc01: haha
Xseanzee disco
: i liked a lot of the parts.
Xseanzee disco: but i almost committed suicide.
suilenroc01: orlando bloom is sooooooo dreamy ;-)
Xseanzee disco: so long.
STEvilaim: I want all 3 extended editions in one DVD set
Xseanzee disco: I think they tweajed the lighting in the third one.
suilenroc01: yeah
Xseanzee disco
: treaked*
STEvilaim: wont be longer than full 10 dvd matrix set, but just to have it... :D
suilenroc01: i've seen the boxed set
: it's what, 12 hours?
: didn't do a price check on it
: better off not knowing
: *sigh*
: whatever matrix 1/2/3 and animatrix come out to be
Xseanzee disco: animatrix was trippy.
suilenroc01: i've only seen the original
: over 30 hours worth complete on the 10 dvd's anyways
suilenroc01: the reviews of the others scared me away
: others were ok, but they did seem to lose some of the original
Eonwe Valar: Matrix movies were interesting
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VardaValar1: back
VardaValar1: Eonwe, you there?
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VardaValar1: Eonwe, would it be ok to send the guild money to you? It could be kept separately in the bank perhaps?
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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: heya
Eonwe Valar: that would be fine, aye
VardaValar1: Aiya
VardaValar1: Ah good
Eonwe Valar: I'll just keep track of it on paper
VardaValar1: Sauron and I were wondering :-)
VardaValar1: okie dokie
Eonwe Valar: I couldn't find a way to deposit it in the bank, but that's likely because you don't lose it on dying
VardaValar1: I was thinking about sending in results of cooking, a bake sale so to speak ;-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: I didn't see a way either. Thought I just didn't know how
VardaValar1: A bank where you can't put money, hehe
VardaValar1: Annatar is on right now
VardaValar1: It's been going non-stop on that comp :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: That's a lot of gold to come up with
Eonwe Valar: My internet disconnected, reason for me disappearing
VardaValar1: Europe may be with us
VardaValar1: ouch
VardaValar1: Knock you out of WoW?
Eonwe Valar: aye :} it is over the internet :}
VardaValar1: How dare it!
VardaValar1: Ok, that's all I needed to bother you about : )
VardaValar1: oh
Eonwe Valar: what all could we use the guild fund for besides buying members guild tabards?
VardaValar1: how much do we have now after tonight
Eonwe Valar: still only 5 so far
VardaValar1: In DAoC they subsidized certain members to build up needed skills
Eonwe Valar: unless someone has mailed me money I haven't recieved yet
VardaValar1: And maybe we will get a guild house in the future
VardaValar1: Annatar is trying to collect : )
Eonwe Valar: aye, when they implement that
VardaValar1: Takes an hour to send
VardaValar1: That will be expensive, most likely
Eonwe Valar: most of the ingredients for making stuff is found in the wild
VardaValar1: Don't know if we need to subsidize
VardaValar1: Training is very expensive
Eonwe Valar: aye
VardaValar1: DAoC found they could really upgrade a few members to make stuff for all
VardaValar1: We seem to be doing ok already though
VardaValar1: Don't see a need for it yet
VardaValar1: Sad to think other folks could come up with a guild some while back and we can't yet
VardaValar1: Guess too picky. Want good people : )
Eonwe Valar: aye, but we have standards
Eonwe Valar: aye
VardaValar1: It will happen
VardaValar1: After Christmas, more will have it
VardaValar1: I wonder what chance MeO will have of making a branch
VardaValar1: Everyone will be on WoW
Eonwe Valar: depends on if Europe gets a simoultaneous release :}
VardaValar1: Even then, but thanks for the thought : )
VardaValar1: People are not going to want to pay for a second or third MMORPG
Eonwe Valar: if we can rebuild our base we'll be ok
VardaValar1: Rebuild our base?
Eonwe Valar: let me see if I can phrase better
VardaValar1: Which game : )
Eonwe Valar: get more people involved and more people who will be involved
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: Show a need for them
Eonwe Valar: aye
VardaValar1: I put the News up already, no transcript up though
VardaValar1: Not sure how far down to show it
VardaValar1: Include this conversation? : )
Eonwe Valar: I'd say about where we tried to put together the guild
Eonwe Valar: sure, why not :}
VardaValar1: hehe - ok
VardaValar1: 12:45 EST now
Eonwe Valar: up to this conversation works too :}
VardaValar1: : )
Eonwe Valar: aye
VardaValar1: Lot of sword-swinging elves in LotR movies
VardaValar1: Made me think of you
VardaValar1: Haldir was one
Eonwe Valar: aye
Eonwe Valar: too bad they decided to do him in
VardaValar1: Elves can use swords in WoW too, I've been told. I haven't found a trainer though
VardaValar1: Hard to believe no deaths in a war movie though
Eonwe Valar: Aye,.. only your class affects what you can use
Eonwe Valar: well, yeah
VardaValar1: I can't use a gun
VardaValar1: Night Elf
Eonwe Valar: a hunter might be able to train up to it
VardaValar1: I'd like to think my bow could be brought up to equal it. Would be fun
Eonwe Valar: NE warriors and Rogues can use swords,.. Rogues need training though
Eonwe Valar: Aye, shouldn't have to do a gun
VardaValar1: Hunter can, according to another hunter. Just haven't found a trainer
VardaValar1: Go play : )
VardaValar1: You earned some play time
Eonwe Valar: thanks :} I am :}
VardaValar1: Yay! Namarie then
Eonwe Valar: found a nice mace for sale in Loch Modan
Eonwe Valar: not enough silver for it though :}
VardaValar1: ouch
Eonwe Valar: seems to be how it works :}
VardaValar1: Like D2X
Eonwe Valar: aye :}
VardaValar1: We pass each other money there too
VardaValar1: I remember leaving piles of it
VardaValar1: I will still be playing it, btw
VardaValar1: Ok, namarie
Eonwe Valar: hf :}
VardaValar1: Just not right now
VardaValar1: Namarie, and happy hunting : )