Valar Guild

December 12, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST
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Transcript team: Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Varda

Meeting Begins
     Beregond-(V) using VBeregond could not enter, but sent a hello.
     Fladrif-(V) sent greetings.
    ALOHA5463 on AIM is not to be invited.
    Tolkien Encyclopedia: new poem "Melkor"
    Links:  Card game nazgul; language page 
    WoW page
    Battle for Middle-earth
    WC3: WarCraft3/The Frozen Throne
    WotR: War of the Ring
       How to chat in different windows. Later put on Forum and planned for guild's WoW site tips. 
        Making guild branch next week on the Lothar server (Eastern). Meet at StormWind, Cathedral of Light Temple just outside the front. Guild escort can be available at tram, and another for Night Elves at Ruth.... at the south end of Teldrassil at the Hippogryph Master.
       Tabard discussion.  Links to tabards and how to make. Tentatively chose flaming sword as the Secret Flame of Eru.
       Potential colors mentioned, nothing chosen.
       Practiced and we did this after the meeting, even bringing in the most distant night elves. Be sure to update your friend list.
    See Before-meeting:
    Did Frodo ever kill anything? by Ar-Pharazon
    Elf-healers usually abstained from killing, by Eonwe
    Colors of the Istari, by Thranduil

You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
Eonwe Valar: Hey :}
VardaValar1: Hi there
VardaValar1: Figured we could be afk in the chat room as well as just sitting around solo
Musics4Me2: heh
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Olwe, do you have World of WarCraft?
FallenGlory: Getting it for christmas :-)
Eonwe Valar: BTW, I got Redemption last night, so if we group and you die, I can bring you back after the battle :}
VardaValar1: Great!
Eonwe Valar: Congrats Olwë :}
FallenGlory: I had planned on purchasing it yesterday, but it was hinted to me that that might not be such a good idea, heh
VardaValar1: A handy paladin you are, Auros :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Kinda spoils the surprise to know though, doesn't it? :}
VardaValar1: just a hint, heh
FallenGlory: heh, I'm not really any less happy about getting the game now that its hinted that I will, saves me $90 (for the game and card)
VardaValar1: Nice!
FallenGlory: quite so, heh
VardaValar1: You do know we're on Lothar server, right?
FallenGlory: wasn't aware of that
VardaValar1: And you can tell us your name on the Forum
VardaValar1: We have a Forum section just for that, under World of WarCraft
VardaValar1: Now you know!
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FallenGlory: So long as I get some kind of reminder after christmas, I'll be sure to do just that : )
Eonwe Valar: And knowing is half the battle :}
VardaValar1: We have the info in the Forum and the News if that helps
FallenGlory: Alrighty
VardaValar1: And feel free to ask :-)
VardaValar1: I check my email most days
FallenGlory: Cool stuff
Eonwe Valar: As do I :}
VardaValar1: We are trying to drag 10 people onto Lothar to set up the guild
VardaValar1: We seem to be scattered all over, so feel free to spread the word about where we are
FallenGlory: Heh, okay.
FallenGlory: I find it surprising that you don't have over ten by now
FallenGlory: I would have figured that people would have flooded in
VardaValar1: They have to tell us they are on, their name, and be on Lothar
VardaValar1: For instance you didn't know to be on Lothar
VardaValar1: And Eonwe is our branch leader
VardaValar1: Me too, Olwe
ArPharazonV: ok, done and back
VardaValar1: Hoping we can get ten together on a meeting day, like today
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Phar
ArPharazonV: quite the productive day..
ArPharazonV: I spent all day playing the lotr board game, as well as several lotr maps in tft
ArPharazonV: pc still in aftershock it seems, internet pages loading a little slowly...
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: tomorrow I'm going to buy the EE Rotk :-)
VardaValar1: Congrats!
VardaValar1: I've been told not to :-)
ArPharazonV: and last night I finished 'the great river'... leaving me one chapter away from the end of the fellowship
VardaValar1: Great!
VardaValar1: Say, does that mean you'll be able to come up with a subject during the Tolkien section? :-)
ArPharazonV: I have a question... something that was brought up during a lotr map
ArPharazonV: not really topicworthy
ArPharazonV: did Frodo actually slay anything?
VardaValar1: um
VardaValar1: Stabbed, but did he ever kill?
ArPharazonV: that's my question, yes
VardaValar1: Good question
VardaValar1: Now it will bother me and I will have to dig around
ArPharazonV: :-)
VardaValar1: With all that fighting, how could he not have?
VardaValar1: Guess all those protectors around him might have kept him from needing to
ArPharazonV: it's already stated Sam slew his first orc in Moria, but Frodo...
ArPharazonV: and Pippin slew an orc-chieftain at the black gate
VardaValar1: Eowyn says he probably at least stepped on a few bugs
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VardaValar1: and indirectly killed Gollum
ArPharazonV: what just happened?
VardaValar1: That was weird
Eonwe Valar: An interesting note from HoME that might be related to the topic: Elf Healers usually abstained from battle and killing
Eonwe Valar: aye, I noticed it too. They must've kicked me because it said I left and I know I didn't make me leave :}
VardaValar1: Elrond?
ArPharazonV: Sam slew an orc in moria, and if I remember, a few orcs at Cirith Ungol...
Eonwe Valar: As an example, aye Varda
ArPharazonV: Pippin slew a chieftain at the black gate...
ArPharazonV: Merry probably killed a few at Amon Hen...
ArPharazonV: but not sure about that
VardaValar1: Frodo had a lot of targets available. Seems he should have killed some
MaglorV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: I'll get an actual quote for the Tolkien discussion if you like, but I recall that they believed they could heal better if they did not kill.
ArPharazonV: Aiya, all
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Gamatzgamatz: hello to all
VardaValar1: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Thranduil :-)
Eonwe Valar: heya :}
Gamatzgamatz: :-D
MaglorV: Aiya
Gamatzgamatz: i think i should change my sn
Gamatzgamatz: to thranduilV
VardaValar1: Your character is in our text rp. Hope you don't mind my talking for you
VardaValar1: That would be nice : )
Gamatzgamatz: lol np
VardaValar1: O good : )
VardaValar1: Meeting hasn't quite started yet, officially, if you want to make it now
ArPharazonV: I've been rethinking my whole optional quest-thingy, and might have to make a late edit to my last post
VardaValar1: Aren't second thoughts fun? : )
Gamatzgamatz: ok
ArPharazonV: seems a bit more realistic with the new changes
ArPharazonV: although in my post, the only thing I have to change is this:
ArPharazonV: I've picked up some useful information here. They did not go careful with their secrets, as they did not expect my rescue."
ArPharazonV: but the real change is the entire background of the sub-story, and I'm glad I haven't mentioned any of that yet :-)
VardaValar1: Handy
VardaValar1: And never blab secrets in front of prisoners ; )
ArPharazonV: right, but that's not the point
VardaValar1: Never gloatingly tell your plans to the heroes
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VardaValar1: Sorry, I digress
ArPharazonV: the point is that he picked up the important information before he got captured, not after
VardaValar1: Hal, Theoden-King!
ArPharazonV: so that'll have to go
VardaValar1: That would be sticky, alright
Eonwe Valar: *All Right Goldfinger. At least tell me your plans for world domination.*
VardaValar1: Right, Eonwe : )
Gamatzgamatz: i dont believe it ThranduilV and Thranduil V is taken
Eonwe Valar: Goldfinger *laughs* Oh, I'm not falling for that again.
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: We had previous Thranduils. Might be why
ArPharazonV: most important reason for my change: Menel pointed out the absurdity of bringing Orcish prisoners to Thranduil
VardaValar1: Aye. Just lop off heads and be done : )
Gamatzgamatz: "no comment" - Thranduil
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: An Elf take orcish prisoners?
VardaValar1: Not much point
ArPharazonV: which meant I had to change the keeper of the information from the Orcs to the brother
Gamatzgamatz: BRB
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ArPharazonV: which meant I had to change the source of the information
ArPharazonV: which grew into a radical change in the entire background
ArPharazonV: on second thought, 'what' would have been better in my above sentences...
Eonwe Valar: aye, like why a group of orcs would be smart enough to have plans and not smart enough to keep it from the prisoner? :}
VardaValar1: Most likely the plans were not made to the orcs, nor confided to them
VardaValar1: Although some pick up a bit, such as Grishnakh
ArPharazonV: so, I'll change my post... just not sure how
ArPharazonV: the exact wording
Eonwe Valar: aye, that is the tough part Phar
ArPharazonV: ok, let's try this... gonna edit right now...
VardaValar1: It will come to you at midnight
Eonwe Valar: Hmm is this all we can drag into the meeting?
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Thranduil Valar has entered the room.
ArathornValar: well that's dumb...
Eonwe Valar: ?
Thranduil Valar: finally a new name
ArathornValar: got booted from room
Eonwe Valar: aye
MaglorV: Nearly everyone did
VardaValar1: We all had a giant boot, or nearly all
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VardaValar1: Eru must have hiccuped
ArathornValar: Silly Aim *sigh*
VardaValar1: Aiya Grimbold
Grimbold V: Aiya!
ArathornValar: or sneezed
VardaValar1: Aye
ArPharazonV: I've picked up some useful information on our mission, and didn't get a chance to relay most of it to my companions before we were captured."
ArPharazonV: perhaps this would fit better...
ArPharazonV: really late edit... 8 days later :P
VardaValar1: That's ok, didn't wreck the story line
VardaValar1: Beregond says his sign in is blocked
VardaValar1: Any ideas?
ArPharazonV: not sure, haven't experienced the problem
ArathornValar: to aim?
VardaValar1: yes
VardaValar1: VBeregond
ArPharazonV: btw, sorry I missed last meeting, I saw a few interesting topics
ArPharazonV: first of all, I had just read it, and recognized the reference to Sting, with the troll... not sure if you remember
VardaValar1: Maybe you could bring them back up at Tolkien time. Most can be re-chewed from different directions
ArPharazonV: but most importantly, ALOHA5463
VardaValar1: Frodo stabbed the troll in the foot
VardaValar1: when Boromir's sword could not
ArPharazonV: yes, that was it... I had just read it like one day before :-)
Thranduil Valar: hey guys, sorry to interrupt, but are the istari labeled in colors by any chance?
ArathornValar: my list sasys Vberegond is offline :-\
ArPharazonV: anyway, I saw you discussing ALOHA5463 last week... she's contacted me often in the last few weeks
ArPharazonV: istari? colors? you mean blue, brown, grey, and white?
VardaValar1: Thranduil, you are not interrupting yet. And they do have colors
ArPharazonV: and after that many colours, and again white?
VardaValar1: Gandalf the Grey, or White
VardaValar1: Saruman was White, but took Many Colors, not a Valar idea but his own
VardaValar1: Radagast the Brown
VardaValar1: The Blue Wizards Alatar and Pallando
Thranduil Valar: lol kool
TheodenValar: V Beregond cant get on AoL and we belive this is the problem 45226&tid=120&tid=215
ArPharazonV: the Blue Wizards, aye, the ones who left to the East
Thranduil Valar: were they fond of the sea or sky?
Thranduil Valar: due to the color?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, so what info did you have on Aloha5463, because this person just sent me a message for the third week in a row
ArPharazonV: and probably did a great favor to Middle-Earth by dispersing the eastern peoples enough so that they did not all come in one mass...
ArPharazonV: ALOHA5463? we had quite the conversation last week
ArPharazonV: says the name is Hannah McPartlan, from Hawaii
ArPharazonV: relatively confusing speech and grammar, still not sure if she's actually a bot...
ArathornValar: I, robot <grin> :-P
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe well that's not good,..
Eonwe Valar: the one time I accepted her message and tried to ask the person if I could be of assistance, the answer was no
ArPharazonV: yup, that sounds like her
ArPharazonV: today she asked me if I lived in a house, and that I had to answer yes or no
ArPharazonV: to test the bot-ness, I answered 'yeah'
VardaValar1 has left the room. (Note: this was a crash)
Eonwe Valar: If I get something like that, she's going on my ignore list
ArPharazonV: she got quite angry, said that was not the answer she was looking for, and told I was too stupid for it anyway...
ArPharazonV: small argument, and I haven't spoken to her since
Eonwe Valar: oh then she should go on my ignore list anyway :}
ArPharazonV: before I suspected she was a bot (FM suggested that idea to me), I asked her if she got my username from the Valarguild-site... pretty stupid thing to do, actually...
ArathornValar: hmm.. Varda left..
Eonwe Valar: aye
ArathornValar: odd
ArPharazonV: she doesn't like Lotr, though, she says
ArPharazonV: has no interest in the Guild
Eonwe Valar: then she has no business with us
ArPharazonV: and upon the inquire why she contacted me anyway, she said she was 'board'
ArPharazonV: so she added all the names from the list
Eonwe Valar: really? what kind of board? cardboard, gameboard, poster board? :}
ArPharazonV: bored, with one of the many spelling-errors she often makes...
Grimbold V: heh...if you ask me she should've said "Borg" cause that's what she is acting like if you ask me lol
Eonwe Valar: I know PHar :}
ArPharazonV: for somebody living in a US-state, she isn't that good in English
ArPharazonV: and yet, 17 years old
Grimbold V: "resistance is futile, you shall always see my poor use of grammar and from then on use it, Assimilation is coming"
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, we should start the meeting :}
ArathornValar: er.. did you hear banjo music in the background? <snortle>
ArPharazonV: asimmmilimation...

Meeting Begins:
Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo
Eonwe Valar: Membership: Same as last week
Grimbold V: ok am I the only trekkie here...yikes *retreats to his corner*
ArPharazonV: lol, I know who the Borg are
ArPharazonV: I'm a fan, not a real trekkie though
Eonwe Valar: No, I've watched Star Trek as well, just we should get the meeting moving :}
TheodenValar: I'll be logging off now, hopefully back later. I just pray that my bios gets fixed on this try.
ArPharazonV: Namarie
Eonwe Valar: GL Theoden :}
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Eonwe Valar: Anyone have any member news?
ArPharazonV: well, Fladrif visited me this afternoon, so he's still alive...
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VardaValar1: Thanks, Grimbold
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
ArPharazonV: you were offline in my list, or I would have invited you
ArPharazonV: still are, btw
VardaValar1: Thanks all :-)
VardaValar1: Still offline?
ArPharazonV: yup
Eonwe Valar: WB Varda :} do you have any member news? :}
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VardaValar1: Sorry, no
Eonwe Valar: Fladrif visited with Phar was our last tidbit of member news :}
VardaValar1: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArathornValar: ok, Thranduil's new ID added to Quickaim page :-)
VardaValar1: Yay Thranduil and Arathorn : )
Eonwe Valar: Beregond still working on getting in, so hopefully he'll make it :}

Eonwe Valar: On to Web news:
ArPharazonV: (Aloha just signed off, in case you want to know :-))
ArathornValar: er guess I jumped the gun on web news :-P
Eonwe Valar: Varda has some Web news :}
VardaValar1: Tolkien Encyc:
VardaValar1: New Poetry:
VardaValar1: "Melkor" by Georgia Stone
VardaValar1: etry/Melkor.htm
VardaValar1: She is considering full membership, and will at least join as a Tolkien-only
VardaValar1: Wants the Indis name, in either case
VardaValar1: Under Links/ Languages:
VardaValar1: Mellonath Daeron is helpful
VardaValar1: Quenya, Sindarin, and writing systems Tengwar and Cirth
VardaValar1: Also
VardaValar1: Oh, that link
ArathornValar: Ahhh Finwe's wife (2nd anyway)
VardaValar1: html
VardaValar1: Had good kids ; )
ArathornValar: indeed
ArPharazonV: yeah, the two good ones of the three...
VardaValar1: A Nazgul link
VardaValar1: has a lot about the card game Nazgul
VardaValar1: nice to help role-playing, since Tolkien did not go into them much
ArPharazonV: with a female Nazgul, I read =-O
VardaValar1: But has some blatant disagreements with the books, so beware
VardaValar1: Yes
VardaValar1: ex.html
VardaValar1: Still fun reading and seeing the pictures
VardaValar1: That's all my web news
ArPharazonV: so if Tolkien never got into them
ArPharazonV: this is just pure speculation and fiction?
ArPharazonV: well, leaving out the fact that Tolkien is fiction as well
VardaValar1: Part is, part is Tolkien, part is wrong
VardaValar1: hehe, aye
Eonwe Valar: Any more web news?
Eonwe Valar: As a reminder, we do have a WoW site
ArathornValar: hmm sort of web and game news mine..
ArathornValar: more game I guess
MaglorV: And I am trying to keep it updated :-)
Eonwe Valar: maintainted by Maglor
Eonwe Valar: er, maintained :}
ArathornValar: heh.. my news related to that...
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead Arathorn :}
ArPharazonV: the witch-king... numenorean prince... oh well...

ArathornValar: ok, has to do with chat in WoW..
VardaValar1: WoW page may be reached from guild's index
ArathornValar: I find that the chat is kind of mixed up with all the messages so...
ArathornValar: I created separate chat windows and named them the specific chat type...
Eonwe Valar: THanks Varda,.. my attempt at getting a link for everyone here didn't work :}
ArathornValar: i.e. Party, Whisper, etc
VardaValar1: *curtsies*
ArathornValar: Then I set ONLY that type of chat message 'on'
VardaValar1: If we ever get our guild going, we will have a guild channel for chat too
VardaValar1: How, Arathorn?
ArathornValar: yeha, can Ad a Guild window then too
Eonwe Valar: Aye, tell us how :}
ArathornValar: getting to that Varda .. heh...
ArathornValar: I was thinkign Maglor could put the instuctions on the site...
ArathornValar: You Right-click the 'General' chat tab..
ArathornValar: Choose "Create new window"...
ArathornValar: Then right click on the new window's tab...
ArathornValar: and set only the chat values/types you want to appear there.. forget the exact menu option ..
ArathornValar: runnign WoW now to check..
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArathornValar: SO then you have extra tabs in your chat area and can click on them to see the messages separated :-)
Grimbold V: Only drawback I have noticed w/ making a new chat that you have to switch back and forth between tabs often if you wish to view General chat for trades or general information
ArPharazonV: are you still informed of messages in tabs you currently have not selected?
ArathornValar: You STILL have the General tab to go to for all messages
ArathornValar: I keep General on all the time and ONLY switch to party or whisper to see if I missed anything :-)
Grimbold V: can pull the window into a new part of the screen...for example Normaly there are 2 chat windows...General and combat....I have pulled the combat chat window to the right hand side instead of it being underneath
Grimbold V: the general tab
ArPharazonV: would that not clutter up your screen, hindering your view?
Grimbold V: so I have 2 chat windows at same time 1 on left "General" and 1 on right "Combat" so I can see both chats at same time
Grimbold V: you can shrink it to only show a few lines
Grimbold V: or make bigger to see like a page in a book depending on your preference
ArPharazonV: I remember Asherons Call 2... the trial-period...
ArathornValar: Do you just drag it Grim?
Grimbold V: Aye
Grimbold V: "drag-n-drop" type method
ArPharazonV: the new windows were always seperated, and at times you could miss vital information in the view itself...
ArathornValar: Ok good.. I wanted to do that but wasn';t working for some reason.. trying again...
Grimbold V: I believe you have to click on the tab itself...keep it clicked and then move
Grimbold V: to adjust the side...just click on the window "frame" itself
Grimbold V: side=size
ArathornValar: all a matter of preference Ar-phar. Can leave them together if you prefer.
Grimbold V: If you will excuse me I must go attend an emergency at the clinic....if there are any ?'s please send a Pm and I'll get back as soon as I can. Namarie for now
ArPharazonV: Namarie
ArathornValar: Namarie
Xseanzee disco has left the room.
FINARFIN010: Namarie
: Namarie
ArathornValar: rats, lost my WoW partner :-P
VardaValar1: And thanks
VardaValar1: Just for now
VardaValar1: Emergencies end
Eonwe Valar: Thanks for the info Arathorn and Grimbold :}
ArathornValar: <pout> :-P
VardaValar1: Does anyone else have difficulty seeing the updated member info on Maglor's WoW site?
ArathornValar: Just as well, need to get linen for my human ... heh
Eonwe Valar: If there's no other Web News, we shall use that as a transition into Gaming News :}
VardaValar1: Such as Mairowen's name?
VardaValar1: I'm in Netscape and it is not updating
Eonwe Valar: It's fine for me Varda
ArathornValar: did you try clearing your cache?
ArPharazonV: Eowyn-V-Mairowen: Human Warrior-Eastern/Lothar
ArathornValar: I see her in IE...
ArPharazonV: I see her in Firefox
MaglorV: and I use Mozzilla
Eonwe Valar: I'm also in IE,.. only ever use IE :}
ArPharazonV: brb
VardaValar1: I reloaded the txt file
ArathornValar: You there Maglor?
MaglorV: yeah
ArathornValar: Did you want to add a 'tip' section on the WoW pages or..?
MaglorV: sure... it'll take a bit of flsh manipulation, but I can add another section
MaglorV: flash*
ArathornValar: If not, I can put the instructions in a forum message for now
Eonwe Valar: Both would be good
MaglorV: yeah
ArathornValar: ha! thought you typed 'fish' at first :-P
MaglorV: hehe
MaglorV: gotta love maipulating fish
ArathornValar: I just learned a fish cooking skill earlier... couldn't find a fire tho
Eonwe Valar: The message will eventually be buried (100 years or so :}) so having it on the Web Page will be a great place to point people as well
VardaValar1: Ahh, tried in Explorer. It has the scroll bar, but is cut off with no scroll in Netscape
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
ArathornValar: Ok, I'll add a forum message and MAglor can add to site at his convenience
VardaValar1: Aiya
GwaihirValar: Aiya
MaglorV: no scroll in Netscape... that is weird
Eonwe Valar: might have to actually program the scroll bar?
ArathornValar: btw, Maglor, would you mind sending me the Flash code...wouldn't mind seeing how you coded it :-D
VardaValar1: It shows great in IE
MaglorV: sure
VardaValar1: Beautifully done
ArathornValar: good ole netscape :-P
ArathornValar: Thx Mag!
GwaihirValar: sorry for the late arrival. we had to go buy tinsel.
Eonwe Valar: OK on to gaming :}
VardaValar1: *Tosses tinsel to make star streamers*
FINARFIN010: hehe
Eonwe Valar
: *holds shield up to deflect shooting tinsel stars* :}
GwaihirValar: the floor had more tinsel on it than the tree did
ArPharazonV: back
FINARFIN010: wb 

Gaming News:
Eonwe Valar
: Battle for Middle Earth is out
FINARFIN010: did you get it?
Eonwe Valar
: it's an RTS made by EA
Eonwe Valar: No, I haven't got it :} got my hands full as it is right now :}
FINARFIN010: does anyone have the game?
Eonwe Valar
: If you play it, send me an e-mail for the Games Page
ArathornValar: What kind of game is it Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: WC3: Remember if you play this to log in at least once a month :} We've got about 15 under the one month limit
ArathornValar: what is it similar to..
Eonwe Valar: It's an RTS (Real Time Strategy)
Eonwe Valar: WC3, SC, WC2,.. :}
Eonwe Valar: WotR :}
ArPharazonV: Age of Empires... Empire Earth...
ArPharazonV: C&C series... well, most of them
ArathornValar: Is that like the warcraft games?
Eonwe Valar: Don't confuse it with WotR by Sierra however
ArPharazonV: all RTS
ArathornValar: oh ok.
Eonwe Valar: WotR is based on the bopok license
Eonwe Valar: Battle for Middle Earth is based on the movie license
Eonwe Valar: bopok = book
VardaValar1: "Bopok" is a mysterious Valinorean word for "book"
VardaValar1: just invented by a Valinorean
FINARFIN010: hehe
: Btw, if anyone has extra linen in WoW they're not using I could use some right now :-D (char Harana)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: I do. But you'll have to come to our tree :-)
ArathornValar: er.. and Wool.. I'm too low to fight for it yet "-P
VardaValar1: or I could mail
Eonwe Valar: Getting to WoW Arathorn :}
ArathornValar: You can mail it to me Varda :-D
ArPharazonV: wool... does that mean you have to fight sheep?
Eonwe Valar: That means I'll have to set up that Trade section for the Message board now :}
VardaValar1: Good plan, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: Ok Now the long news : WoW :}
FINARFIN010: fight sheep?
: are you kidding?
: You can but it's a quick battle :-P
FINARFIN010: for thoes of you who do not know me that was a pun
: Fighting sheep? Is that like that old war tv series 'Baa Baa black sheep'?? <runs for
ArathornValar: cover..>
Eonwe Valar: First, we have 11 people (rough estimate) playing WoW on different chars
ArPharazonV: if not sheep
ArPharazonV: what do you have to fight for wool?
MaglorV: humans, or humanoids
GwaihirValar: aye, humanoids can drop cloth...
FINARFIN010: wooldn't you like to know
: easiest tradeskill to level
GwaihirValar: by far
GwaihirValar: lol
Eonwe Valar: OK guys, please take trading into private chats :}
ArPharazonV: ah, have to get up at 11 am tomorrow... which means I can spend some more time here :-)
Eonwe Valar: we have roughly our necessary number of players to form the Valar GUild on Lothar
GwaihirValar: our dinner will be ready very shortly, so we'll have to go afk for a short while...
FINARFIN010: afk for dinner
: That does not include the Laytonrim, by any chance? We are all on the same account
Eonwe Valar: My original impression was that each of these members must remain logged in in order for their signature to count on the charter
VardaValar1: So we count as one, like an oliphaunt
Eonwe Valar: Maglor tells me the individual characters can log out, so long as I do not
MaglorV: characters are seperate from accounts
MaglorV: and only the person with the charter cant log out, and that is a bug that will be fixed
Eonwe Valar: If anyone has some spare silver we can give this a try next week
VardaValar1: The Laytonrim have been collecting
Eonwe Valar: That's when I'd like us all to get together
VardaValar1: All you need is 10 silver, right?
ArathornValar: Good! Then we have more than enough Mag?
VardaValar1: How many could we get together today?
VardaValar1: I see 3 of the Laytonrim : )
Eonwe Valar: As a symbolic gesture, I think it'd be great if everyone who's going to sign the charter throw in a silver,.. 10 silver for 10 people.
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie guys, my hosts are getting to bed, so I am going too :-)
VardaValar1: Great idea!
MaglorV: yeah, each character in an account could join seperate guilds if they wanted, so we have plenty to dign the charter
VardaValar1: Namarie, Menelvagor
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
ArathornValar: I'm in there for a long while :-D
MaglorV: dign=sign
ArPharazonV: ahh... was away when Menel had to go
Eonwe Valar: So, let's all shoot for being here at the meeting, and immediately after, going to Stormwind to make the charter
ArPharazonV: *shouts after him* Namarie, Menelvagor
MaglorV: sounds good Eonwe
VardaValar1: For practice, how many could we drag in if we tried today?
Musics4Me2 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: The easiest place to meet in Stormwind might be the Cathedral of Light, since it's in the center of town
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Musics4Me2: Ah, sorry... AIM kinda died and I was away
Eonwe Valar: I could be there
VardaValar1: Do we have to be in the same place or just logged in?
MaglorV: have to be with the person with the charter
VardaValar1: Three of my family could come in
Eonwe Valar: you have to be close enough for me to have you sign the charter, which means same place
ArPharazonV: dang, I wanna play that game...
VardaValar1: Can you move to the people or do we need to move to you? Some of us are young yet
Eonwe Valar: I can't get to Kalimdor yet,.. haven't gone that far in my own questing
VardaValar1: Stormwind, human land.
VardaValar1: I'll start working my way there from Teldrassil
Eonwe Valar: here, I have an idea
ArathornValar: My human is in SW right now :-)
ArPharazonV: that's a loooong way to swim... :-)
Eonwe Valar: If I recall, there is a ship in Auberdine that sails to Ironforge
VardaValar1: How long do you have to sign up people once you get a charter?
Eonwe Valar: until I log out
VardaValar1: Might get a gryphon or ship
VardaValar1: Don't crash! : )
MaglorV: the ship sails to Menethil for IF
Eonwe Valar: If you go to Ironforge, you can take the deeprum tram to Stormwind
Eonwe Valar: *deeprun
MaglorV: Menethil is lvl 20+ area and a long dangerous walk to IF
Eonwe Valar: hmm
MaglorV: but it has been done
VardaValar1: We can aim for the trip to Stormwind by next weekend. A quest!
Eonwe Valar: ]maybe some of us higher guys could escort the Night Elves to Ironforge?
MaglorV: just run from the orcs that try to kill you :-)
VardaValar1: Run is good
Eonwe Valar: I'm not exactly "higher" but with my 17 I'm willing to make that attempt
MaglorV: id be willing to try it with my 14 NE
VardaValar1: Higher than my 12 ;-)
Eonwe Valar: and I can rez anyone that dies once we get out of the battle
VardaValar1: It is a good week to die
ArPharazonV: the Valarguild's first move... could anybody take screenies?
MaglorV: i will
Eonwe Valar: I'll try to remember
MaglorV: i already have hundereds :-)
ArPharazonV: nice...
MaglorV: i can spell...honest
VardaValar1: We have some human characters who can just walk in. Yeah, right Maglor. ;-)
VardaValar1: j/k
MaglorV: lol
Eonwe Valar: So that could be our quest tonight? escort Elves to Ironforge? If we have enough people?
Eonwe Valar: Elves get to fight too, and heal if they are able :}
MaglorV: tonight?
VardaValar1: Eowyn is at Fargodeep Mine
VardaValar1: Escort from where?
Eonwe Valar: Just thought I'd see if we could get anyone together :} Next week is good too :}
MaglorV: if its tonight I can't join you :-( I have to go in a few minutes.
VardaValar1: I'd love to try
VardaValar1: Eowyn and Fangorn could come
Eonwe Valar: Menethil
VardaValar1: I might drag in Sauron's character for him, if he does not come home soon enough
Eonwe Valar: The ship in Auberdine can take you that far, and we could meet you there
ArPharazonV: you could also just sign the charter in menethil itself...
MaglorV: hehe, true
VardaValar1: When would you be back, Maglor?
ArPharazonV: if you all meet up there, no need to get to Stormwind :-D
MaglorV: no idea, probably late
Eonwe Valar: Oh sure, negate the quest before it's begun :}
ArathornValar: I could log in with 3 of my chars to get more to sign... ? if we can get enuf at one sittng (3 from me)
ArPharazonV: hey, you could always just give them a tour through Lordaeron
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: show them Stormwind anyway
ArathornValar: I have 1 4 human
Eonwe Valar: Getting them to Stormwind makes sure we can meet anyway
Eonwe Valar: S
ArPharazonV: ah, of course
ArPharazonV: for the gryphons
VardaValar1: We can come up with enough silver surely
Eonwe Valar: scratch the S
ArathornValar: yeah I need linens anyway!
ArathornValar: and wool.. we can kill humanoids :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK, so, Guild charter shooting for next Sunday After meeting
VardaValar1: I can cook and sell for a good bit
MaglorV: silver is nothing... wait until you are doing quests worth gold :-)
VardaValar1: One gold for a tabard
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Tabards is the next topic :}
ArPharazonV: ooh, ooh, I wanna see the Tabard!
MaglorV: yeah, my 28 hunter is making good coin at the AH
VardaValar1: Transition away : )
Eonwe Valar: it's 10 gold to unlock the tabard, which means it will require the generosity of everyone who can contribute
MaglorV: but hes on anotehr server :-(
MaglorV: another*
Eonwe Valar: There's a slight problem with tabards
VardaValar1: Should we mail you the money, Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: for the tabard or the charter?
VardaValar1: Both, was thinking of tabard though
Eonwe Valar: for the tabard, yeah, might be better to mail the money
VardaValar1: Let you collect it as Branch Leader
ArathornValar: Be a while befire I get a gold :-P
ArPharazonV: for the charter you could just wait until you are all in Stormwind, give the cash in person, and then buy the charter
ArathornValar: *before
VardaValar1: But together we can do it
Grimbold V: <----- Has returned just in time for good ol WoW Stuff
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
MaglorV: well, i have to go, I'll be on WoW when I get home. Namarie
ArathornValar: that was quick Grim!
Grimbold V: If we can get enough players on tonite I will pay for full amount to get guild started
VardaValar1: Great, Maglor!
VardaValar1: Might see you there
MaglorV: ok
ArPharazonV: actually, we've never left the topic, grimbold :-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie Maglor
VardaValar1: We would all like to kick in some, Grimbold : )
Grimbold V: was a dog that got hit by car..but was very lucky..minor lacerations etc
Eonwe Valar: There have already been Guilds in WoW with the same tabard design, despite the plethora of choices we're given
ArathornValar: Where are you right now in WS Eonwe?
VardaValar1: That is good to hear
MaglorV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: WS?
Grimbold V: heh...10 silver is pocket change to my 21 Human warrior
ArathornValar: windstorm
Eonwe Valar: I'm not in Windstorm
Eonwe Valar: Don't think I know where that is :}
Grimbold V: And I offer my sword and shield in escorting the Night elves to Stormwind
VardaValar1: Grimbold, is your human warrior on Lothar
ArathornValar: How do you actually make a tabard? Is it a gif file or is it designed?
Grimbold V: Indeed he is
Grimbold V: Arathorn its already implemented in teh game....
VardaValar1: We thank you
ArathornValar: HA! I mean stormwind!
Grimbold V: its a Tabard vendor
ArathornValar: Dyslexic again :-P
VardaValar1: Can we design our own tabard?
Grimbold V: you design it and "buy" it
VardaValar1: We have artists in the group
Eonwe Valar: We have certain options
ArathornValar: but how is it 'designed'.. using what method?
Grimbold V: only w/ the designs that they have to offer, I don't believe we can design and then "upload"
Eonwe Valar: we have icons, colors, and backgrounds to choose
Grimbold V: Arathorn I will show you in game later
VardaValar1: We should check on whether we can design
ArathornValar: can'r make our own then?
ArPharazonV: as long as it doesn't involve drawing or painting, I can consider myself an artist ;-)
ArathornValar: *Puts away photoshop.. * <grin>
Eonwe Valar: No, we cannot make our own design
Grimbold V: I don't believe so...pertaining to creating our own desing
Grimbold V: design*
Eonwe Valar: we can put together what they have given us
Grimbold V: I'll forage the forums on that and msg a GM about it..but I highly doubt we can
Eonwe Valar: We can't :}
VardaValar1: It could be done in DAoC I think, so it's a maybe
Grimbold V: I scrolled through some of the designs the other day and I don't think I even got 1/2 way through
Eonwe Valar: We have certain icons (link coming soon)
Eonwe Valar: that we can choose
Eonwe Valar: we choose a color for it
ArathornValar: I've seen the tabard guy but never really looked into it
Grimbold V: so there are a LOT of designs as Eonwe will hopefully soon give us the link to *smirk*
Eonwe Valar: we choose a border and border color
ArPharazonV: I'd guess you choose an outline, a color, a symbol, a background color....
Eonwe Valar: then we choose a background color
VardaValar1: In DAoC we used a white tree. Is that one of those over-used?
Grimbold V: I have seen it a few times
Eonwe Valar: I didn't see a tree with leaves in the icon
Grimbold V: not sure on the white coloring but I have seen the tree
VardaValar1: How about white and no leaves?
Grimbold V: haven't seen that one used..but I have seen a design of a tree w/ no leaves
Grimbold V: not very becoming if you ask me
Eonwe Valar: t=tabards
Grimbold V: in the way they made it....just a Rohaner's opinion
Eonwe Valar: that is a link to a page with our available icons
Grimbold V: YAY! thank you
ArathornValar: Can we choose a .. hat! ... sorry.. that's an inside WoS joke! <too bad Orodreth isn't here <snortle>
VardaValar1: hat, hmm. Dernhelm might make a comment
VardaValar1: I see a tree with leaves. Not saying use it, just I see one
Eonwe Valar: I'd like everyone's input who is in WoW or plans on going in, so that means you European guys get looking too :}
ArPharazonV: nr 11 looks good...
Grimbold V: Arathorn take a look at #45...there's your hat
Grimbold V: *smirk*
Grimbold V: on the link Eonwe just sent
VardaValar1: 38 is nice
Grimbold V: # 57 is the "tree w/ no leaves"
ArPharazonV: Gandalf's hat!
Grimbold V: which I didn't care for
Eonwe Valar: Try to keep it within the spirit of the Guild and of Tolkien, though
ArathornValar: In WoS there's a vendor who yells at you ... "You need a ... HAT!" .. funny the first time you see it :-P
VardaValar1: 11 is tree with leaves
Eonwe Valar: Aye, just saw that
Grimbold V: I like number 76...I think it pertains to the spirit of the guild
Grimbold V: *smirk*
Grimbold V: its an acorn...resembling that all of us in the guild are just plain NUTS!
ArPharazonV: how about 48, though? not a tree, but still
VardaValar1: 48 could be Taniquetil
ArPharazonV: lol
VardaValar1: a mountain
Grimbold V: In a good way of course
ArPharazonV: just thinking the same thing, Varda :-)
Eonwe Valar: Now, we're not going to be able to change this once we make it, unless we want to disband the guild and go through the entire process again
VardaValar1: Nuts, would be true
ArathornValar: LOL (Grimbold nuts comment)
VardaValar1: Aye, so we will have to like it the first time : )
ArPharazonV: how about 102? the watcher in the water?
Eonwe Valar: Blizzard has said they make no guarantees that out design will be unique, i.e. used by our Guild only
ArPharazonV: 103? the two towers?
VardaValar1: 87 is a moon and stars
Eonwe Valar: Let's keep it to good guys :} We are Alliance :}
ArPharazonV: in that case, 125? Strider?
Eonwe Valar: so we need to make it unique ourselves, or we don't worry about it and just pick somethign we like :}
ArPharazonV: 161? A black rider?
VardaValar1: 136 is a mushroom. Guess better for hobbits
Grimbold V: Actually that is "Arthas" the Leader of the Scourge...which are the "bad" guys in the World of Warcraft community
Grimbold V: pertaining to ArPhar's comment on #125
ArPharazonV: 166 would be good, if it were only 1 eye....
VardaValar1: Oh, I see the Wingfoot design you mentioned, 165
VardaValar1: There is a one eye, but that would be for baddies : )
Grimbold V: check out #91 ArPhar
ArPharazonV: 154, balrog?
Grimbold V: that's your one eye evilness
ArPharazonV: wow, indeed
Eonwe Valar: afk for a just a sec
VardaValar1: 167 is a candle
ArathornValar: 44 .. better not run with them tho :-P
VardaValar1: aww, Arathorn. Nice scissors
Grimbold V: and why not..we run around w/ everything else imaginable
VardaValar1: Good point, or points
ArPharazonV: I repeat: 154 balrog
Grimbold V: don't you remember...Arathorn!!! STOP!! do not run w/ that sponge....put the sponge down and step away from it!
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: 123: Beorn?
VardaValar1: Yep. Could be a Balrog alright, Phar
ArathornValar: I like 166
VardaValar1: 166 is well done, but not exactly in our spirit, is it?
ArathornValar: Mommy said don't run with scissors! :-P
ArPharazonV: could anybody explain to me what 142 is supposed to be?
ArPharazonV: ignore the rhyme
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: 142? Maybe two flowers?
VardaValar1: Aiyata
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: thanks
Grimbold V: 142 = lopsided elephants???
Grimbold V: J/J
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: Page loads slowly for me so I'm not as far as you guys in the icon looking :}
ArPharazonV: oliphaunts?
ArPharazonV: 135: Bilbo Barrel-rider!
VardaValar1: I listed all the ones that jumped out at me as good, if that's any help
Grimbold V: I believe it might be trying to resemble a plant form of some sort
Eonwe Valar: long list between everyone :}
ArPharazonV: my vote is on 48, better icon for Valinor I have not yet seen
ArPharazonV: the mountain
ArPharazonV: or Caradhras, for the non-Silmarillion readers
ArPharazonV: or Mount Doom
Eonwe Valar: Stars, mountain are the ones that leap out to me
ArPharazonV: neh, not Orodruin...
ArathornValar: are there any angel like ones.. representing the Valar?
VardaValar1: I thought of the mountain as being Taniquetil, meeting place of Valar and Vanyar
ArPharazonV: 60 close enough? ;-)
ArPharazonV: or 69?
ArPharazonV: we could do 31, for the Eagles of Manwe
Grimbold V: Hmm..I am rather upset...they do not have any horses or silouettes (sp?) of horses of any kind.....They are discriminating against dare they!
ArPharazonV: 36, the Elven-ships in the Grey Havens
ArPharazonV: 65? Mirror of Galadriel?
Eonwe Valar: Thought I saw one in there that looked like a Lamp, would bea reference to Iluin and Ormal
VardaValar1: 31 Eagles is a possibility, aye
Grimbold V: A warning on the eagles...I have seen a lot of those
Grimbold V: so I think we would be sacrificing our "uniquness"
ArathornValar: hmmm scarecrow angels? <pff>
ArPharazonV: similar shape, though :-)
ArPharazonV: arms spread out like snowangels
VardaValar1: 86 is the infinity sign
ArathornValar: so no one sees any angels huh...
Grimbold V: well its very common and simple..but #4 for the "One ring"
ArPharazonV: heheh
ArathornValar: 48 might be a good one Varda, yeah
Eonwe Valar: Has someone suggested 88?
Eonwe Valar: rising sun
ArPharazonV: reminds me of Japan
Grimbold V: heh or #9 since we are a Tolkien group which basically our guild has come about due to our love of books...his in particular
Musics4Me2: I see lots of numbers.... I must have missed something ;-)
Eonwe Valar: well, yeah, but in our case it could be Anar :}
ArathornValar: 65 makes me hungry.. more like soup :-P
VardaValar1: 9, you have a point about the book
ArPharazonV: well, there is mention of the water boiling in the mirror
ArPharazonV: when Sauron makes his appearance
Eonwe Valar: too bad we can't mix icons,.. would choose a crown over a white tree :}
ArPharazonV: 10: 'Fool of a Took'
ArathornValar: I still can' get soup out of my mind <chuckle> must be hungry ..
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe : )
ArPharazonV: isn't 2 similar to the crowns of gondor?
VardaValar1: 65 soup bowl, looks like steam but could be magic. I see no boiling bubbles
ArathornValar: hmm alot of these are very 'clipart'y .. not the best graphics I've ever seen :-\
ArPharazonV: soup bowl... mirror... any difference? ;-)
VardaValar1: 2, the winged crown of Gondor. Aye, but we need Valar symbols
ArPharazonV: why does 38 remind me of Athelas...
VardaValar1: These are not the entire picture
ArathornValar: mm I like the book idea... still think an angel would be best :-P
VardaValar1: 38 is a nice graceful one. Athelas might not be the best Vala symbol, but it would at least look good
VardaValar1: Which number is the angel, Arathorn?
ArathornValar: That's my depiction of Valar anyway <shrug>
ArPharazonV: you found one yet?
ArathornValar: haven't found one yet, Varda
VardaValar1: I see no angel, looked over all
ArathornValar: nope, Ar
ArPharazonV: 38 seems a bit standard for banners....
VardaValar1: o, ok
VardaValar1: Mountain, stars both have no argument so far?
ArPharazonV: if we weren't alliance, I'd go for the Balrog...
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Way it goes
ArathornValar: Ar: hmm MAYBE Galadriel was cooking soup.. we can't be sure she was't <snortle!>
Grimbold V: Can I have the numbers for the mountain and stars plz?
ArPharazonV: 87 looks more like a strange smily than stars
VardaValar1: But we are. Let's dare each other to find a good Valar symbol
VardaValar1: Mountain is 48
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ArathornValar: I like either mountain or book so far.. leaning toward maountain tho
VardaValar1: 87 is moon and stars
Eonwe Valar: If we were the Donkey Kong Guild #135 would be perfect :}
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: 113 for Manwe?
ArathornValar: And if I don't eat sooon ..soup! <guffaw>
VardaValar1: The book is 9
ArathornValar: what is 21.. glasses?
Grimbold V: Aye
Grimbold V: Engineering Goggles to represent the gnomes
ArPharazonV: I really like 162.... but besides Smaug and Ancalagon, not Tolkien-related...
Grimbold V: I assume
GwaihirValar: *thinks that the Eagles would be a good idea* ;-)
VardaValar1: 113 is lightning. Manwe's not so much known for that
VardaValar1: Not biased are you, Eagle buddy? ;-)
GwaihirValar: not at all
GwaihirValar: :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK, no Eagles :}
ArPharazonV: 32 would be good if we were a Dutch guild, but other than that....
VardaValar1: 162 kind of mean looking
ArathornValar: 57 is treeish... but mountain betetr I think
Grimbold V: I can't believe they don't have horses...I mean come on a cartoon MONKEY?!?
Grimbold V: sheesh
Grimbold V: I like mountain compared to moon/stars
VardaValar1: Poor Rohirrim. So underrepresented. I too think a horse should at least be offered
GwaihirValar: I think you can edit the icons, btw...
GwaihirValar: not sure though
Eonwe Valar: I must be lagging worse than I thought
ArathornValar: a crying bear?? (63) .. that's silly
VardaValar1: Book, mountain, moon + stars
Grimbold V: maybe some 13 yo girl wanted to make a Care bear guild?
ArPharazonV: I think those are signs of anger, not tears
GwaihirValar: Angry bear guild then ;-)
VardaValar1: And infinity sign 86
ArathornValar: hmm what's 70?
ArPharazonV: tesla coil
Grimbold V: Tesla coil
GwaihirValar: is there one of a flame? if there is we could use it to represent the secret fire...
ArathornValar: Hey gwaihir.. 98 for us :-P
ArPharazonV: I think I saw one of those, yes
Grimbold V: 40
GwaihirValar: what's 98? :-)
ArPharazonV: 93?
Grimbold V: I think has sword in it as well
ArathornValar: Tesla?
ArPharazonV: ALOHA just contacted me again
ArPharazonV: is 93 fire?
Eonwe Valar: I blocked Aloha,.. might consider doing to same
ArathornValar: *hand on heart* ...Ohh.. Canadaaaa...lalalaaaa! <snortle>
GwaihirValar: ahhh
ArPharazonV: I'm just ignoring her... if she wants to make peace, let it come from her side
GwaihirValar: ya one of the poeple on one of the forums I frequent made a guild using that one
GwaihirValar: :-)
Grimbold V: I think it might be "tribal designs" of what seems to be almost like 3 stag heads?
Grimbold V: pertaining to 93
ArPharazonV: 3 stag heads, yes, that occurred to me too
Grimbold V: either that or I've been staring at Rorschat (sp?) test too much
Grimbold V: the inkblot test heh
ArPharazonV: but it could also resemble fire
ArPharazonV: 106 for Lorien?
Grimbold V: I think the best flame one imo is #40
ArathornValar: 166 COULD represent the Valar looking down on "us" .. if the eyes were 'happier'
Grimbold V: could be gandalf's sword bathed in the flame an Anur(sp)
Eonwe Valar: Anyone know a Maximus FoTL? sounds familiar,..
Grimbold V: Sorry I do not
ArPharazonV: sounds very familiar, yes
ArathornValar: what would 40 represent Grim?
ArathornValar: eternal flame?
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ArPharazonV: ah, I found something, Eonwe
Grimbold V: the secret flame.....flame of anur?
ArPharazonV: Nov. 7, 2004Sunday Meeting: 5pm EST, AIM Valar Guild Meetingplace
ArPharazonV: Guest: Maximus FOTL (contacted Lungorthin, interested in joining, looking for a gaming "family". That's a good description of us.)
ArathornValar: 36 is ship looks like
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ArathornValar: 40 couls work...
Grimbold V: I like 40 better than the mountain
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :} that's who I thought it was :}
ArPharazonV: np
ArPharazonV: just a quick search led me to the news-page
ArathornValar: I'm flipping between mountain and 40 .. hmmm
ArathornValar: mountain seems simple but I like it for some reason
Grimbold V: Yea I can go for it since it could be like "Pillar of strength type bit" but I dunno
ArPharazonV: they're all symmetric, I just noticed :-D
ArPharazonV: that explains the weird star-picture
Grimbold V: I haven't read beyond the LotR so I dunno about other mountain places that resemble "good"
Eonwe Valar: The mountain seems the best choice to me
ArPharazonV: not Caradhras, that's for sue
ArPharazonV: *sure
ArPharazonV: I just want to say I'm not attracted by the stars.... they look way too much like a happy-face to me
ArPharazonV: if I had a veto, it would go on that
Grimbold V: every time I see the stars/moon, makes me think of a girl's tattoo that they get on the small of their back...believe me its popular around these parts...blech
Grimbold V: so yea same w/ ArPhar if I had the veto it would be on stars/moon as well
ArathornValar: did you look at it AS a Tabard too Grim.. might give you more perspective.. doing that now..
Grimbold V: My 1st would be 40 the flame...but mountain is ok as well
Eonwe Valar: I would've preferred stars without the moon, but the only tinhg close to that looks like a starfish
Grimbold V: hehe I tried..kinda hard to..I'll take one final look
ArathornValar: yeah I don't like stars either <shrug>
ArPharazonV: look at 99
Grimbold V: I see the happy face lol
Grimbold V: Thanks ArPhar you ruined it for me
ArPharazonV: either Gandalf's staff, or Sauron on his tower
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ArPharazonV: you're welcome, Grimbold :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya. Guess our DSL or hub is going bad
ArathornValar: what;s 100??? volcano?
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV: ooh, 100 is a good Orodruin
VardaValar1: So front runners were Book, Infinity, Mountain, Stars & Moon, Eagles (no particular order) and what?
ArPharazonV: I'm laughing at the star-happy-face now...
ArathornValar: which is montain again?
ArPharazonV: 48
ArPharazonV: how about 99, Varda?
ArPharazonV: Gandalf's staff?
ArPharazonV: or Sauron on his tower?
ArathornValar: 40, fire, Varda
VardaValar1: Please give me the link again? We crashed
Eonwe Valar: t=tabards
VardaValar1: and Secret Fire : )
ArPharazonV: t=tabards&page=3 is the third page
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV: lol
Grimbold V: anyone for a game of checkers meet me on block 97 *smirk*
Eonwe Valar: I think the mountain is going to be the best
ArPharazonV: I still think 102 is a great watcher in the water...
VardaValar1: Aye : )
Grimbold V: hmm kinda reminds me of the James Bond movie "Octopussy"
Grimbold V: the ring and tattoo they had
ArPharazonV: haven't seen that movie
ArPharazonV: haven't seen much of 007...
Grimbold V: Good movie if you like James Bond...but its Roger Moore not Sean Connery
ArPharazonV: no comment on 99 so far?
ArathornValar: hmm on the Tabard itself doesn't really look like mountain :-\
ArPharazonV: 'let me risk a little more light'
Eonwe Valar: 99 seemed a bit evil looking
ArPharazonV: well, yes, of course it could be seen as Sauron's eye and Baraddur
VardaValar1: 99 Gandalf's staff?
ArPharazonV: and it could be seen as that, yet
ArPharazonV: *yes
VardaValar1: How do you see a design as it is on the tabard, Arathorn?
ArPharazonV: click on the picture
Eonwe Valar: click on the icon'
Grimbold V: hmm you're right Arathorn...looks like a pile of gunpowder or spices of some sort
ArPharazonV: =guilds&page=tabardviewer
VardaValar1: Sharp on top for that. Would have to be damp powder or spice
Grimbold V: hmm true
ArPharazonV: so... when are we going to search the perfect location for a guildhouse? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: ther are no guildhouses in game as I recall
Eonwe Valar: I think they took that out of the initial release
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
VardaValar1: Guildhouse is in Middle-earth Online, long walk
ArPharazonV: heheh...
Grimbold V: but they will be thinking about it in as an I've heard through the "grapevine"
ArPharazonV: grapevine... grapevine... any icons of that?
Grimbold V: hmm nope just some laurel
Eonwe Valar: OK so quick check for personal preferences :
ArathornValar: I vote on of these 2... and think fire is best, As Grimbold said:
ArPharazonV: any interest in 114: elanor?
ArathornValar: p/tabard.jpg
Eonwe Valar: Eonwë: # 48 , mountain
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ArathornValar: Varda, just click on the tabard and it shows him wearing it
VardaValar1: Yes, I got it Arathorn. Looking at tabard maker
ArathornValar: check my link.. what do you think?
Eonwe Valar: So how many do we have for the Mountain?
Eonwe Valar: Say Aye
VardaValar1: Not decided yet
ArPharazonV: not sure, after watching the actual tabard
ArathornValar: I say fire, mountain as a second
VardaValar1: Fire and Mountain both good.
VardaValar1: Do they show with a female figure?
ArPharazonV: if I had to choose, I'd go with fire... but that's just my destructive nature :-)
ArathornValar: Fire looks cool on Tabard (go figure cool fire :-P)
VardaValar1: All very well and good on a flat person, pardon
ArathornValar: Dont' think so Varda.. although I was thinking it should too
Eonwe Valar: well, wasn't acutally trying to get a vote perse,.. trying to get an idea of where we all agree so far :} Next Question was going to be fire, and then any other ideas
Grimbold V: I vote Sword in Flame
Eonwe Valar: Flat? This guy looks like a pro wrestler :}
ArathornValar: HA! you haven't seen my Man boobs Varda! I work out a lot <snortle!>
VardaValar1: Is that the fire he shows
ArPharazonV: well, Varda... if we look at female characters, the mountain would seem a bit... awkward, to say the leat
ArPharazonV: *least
VardaValar1: on Arathorn's tabard?
Eonwe Valar: (yes, I understand :})
VardaValar1: What number is sword in flame?
ArPharazonV: 40
Grimbold V: 40
VardaValar1: The fire on Arathorn's tabard does look better than the mountain one
ArathornValar: Mountain looks ok, I just don't know that people would know that's what it is when on Tabard :-\
VardaValar1: Secret Fire idea
VardaValar1: Why a flaming sword?
ArPharazonV: Glamdring
ArPharazonV: Anduril
ArathornValar: Gandalf
ArPharazonV: 'Flame of the West'
ArathornValar: Secret fire
ArathornValar: Arathorn.. sword of light :-D
VardaValar1: oh, it is the same
ArathornValar: same?
VardaValar1: 40 is the fire one : )
ArPharazonV: the same icon, yes
VardaValar1: Nice for all those reasons and looks good
ArPharazonV: so whether we interpret it as Glamdring, Anduril, or the Secret Fire, we can't go wrong :-)
ArathornValar: Ok, I have to go to the store.. er.. are we getting together tonight as a group or..?
VardaValar1: I guess any will be a problem for female characters
VardaValar1: Not if you are gone : )
VardaValar1: It is night
Grimbold V: I'll be on
ArathornValar: I won';t be long.. gettgin some chicken wings :-)
VardaValar1: Sounds good : )
Grimbold V: ooh ooh bring me some!
ArathornValar: getting even
ArPharazonV: so... I guess this counts as Tolkien-topic as well?
VardaValar1: The beef ribs are about ready downstairs
ArPharazonV: or are we still going to do the Frodo-killing-thingy?
ArathornValar: I'll be back in a little bit then... I'll leave this p to see what you all decided!
VardaValar1: We Tolkien-topiced before meeting
ArPharazonV: well, we have more heads here
VardaValar1: Arathorn, you picked 40 flaming sword?
ArPharazonV: or at least minds present
ArathornValar: *stuffs chicken wings into Grim's mailbox..*
Eonwe Valar: The fire does seems pretty good
ArPharazonV: I'll go for 40 as well
Grimbold V: oh man now they'll take an hr to get here
Grimbold V: they'll be cold by then!
ArathornValar: yeah Fire/sword is my choice.
ArPharazonV: or 99, but I guess that's just me :-)
VardaValar1: Stars and moon looked good on tabard thing
ArathornValar: *Sets Grim's mailbox alight...* :-P
VardaValar1: just looking at them, not picking them : )
ArPharazonV: Stars and moon look to 'comical' to me
ArPharazonV: if you observe the happyface
VardaValar1: Aye, kind of a smiley face
ArPharazonV: *too
Grimbold V: Out of curiosity what will be the Name? Valar Guild? or a likeness of that?
VardaValar1: I agree they look like a smile
VardaValar1: Valar?
VardaValar1: Guild is kind of redundant maybe
Grimbold V: Valar is better
ArathornValar: which was stars? SHould look before poopooing it heh
ArPharazonV: 87
Grimbold V: was hoping to keep the word "guild" out of it
VardaValar1: Think they will give us a trademark argument?
ArPharazonV: if not, we'll make ourselves Ainur :-)
VardaValar1: Guild is what it is on WoW, a guild mark, so would possibly be redundant
ArathornValar: Yeah what's the guild name Valar Guild or just Valar..?
VardaValar1: Ainur, good thought as an alternate
Eonwe Valar: I was going to use Valar Guild, even though it was redundant
ArathornValar: yeah I thot so (redundant)
Eonwe Valar: if they give us problems with Valar, they're likely to do the same for Ainur
VardaValar1: Nice thing to have one guy with the final say : )
Grimbold V: then how about Flame of Ainur?
VardaValar1: How about Valar :-)
ArPharazonV: Flame of Valar
ArPharazonV: or just Flame of the West :-)
VardaValar1: Secret Fire : )
Eonwe Valar: I was considering Valinorë if Valar/Valar Guild did not work
VardaValar1: But we are the Valar Guild
ArathornValar: I vote Valar, unless Eonwe vetoes :-D
Grimbold V: Valar Flamers! hmm sounds more like a sports team heh
VardaValar1: hehe
Grimbold V: I 2nd arathorn's motion
ArathornValar: oooh I like Valinorë
Eonwe Valar: Valinorë = People of the Valar, so if we cannot use Valar, it's closer
ArPharazonV: and let's not forget the forum-definition of Flaming....
ArPharazonV: Valar Flamers sound negative
Grimbold V: I know...was just a joke
VardaValar1: Valar, Valar Guild, Valinore, Secret Flame
ArathornValar: yeah flaming sounds bad heh
Grimbold V: Servant of the Fire/Flame?
VardaValar1: (Secret Flaming done on the side)
ArPharazonV: Servant of the Secret Fire
VardaValar1: Long : )
ArathornValar: *take grim's wings back ..* :-P
ArPharazonV: Secret Flamers :-D
VardaValar1: hehe
Grimbold V: I like the "servant" part of the title
ArPharazonV: Flaming servants
VardaValar1: Flame of Eru
ArathornValar: ever lieks he word 'servant' myself <shrug>
Grimbold V: would really be our "title" since we do serve and are humble
VardaValar1: Servant is what we are anyway
ArPharazonV: Eru's servants...
ArathornValar: er liked
VardaValar1: It is what we are, don't have to say it?
ArPharazonV: Servants of Eru
Eonwe Valar: Eruanor?
VardaValar1: Children of Eru
VardaValar1: Eruhini
ArathornValar: I just bit my tongue trying to say that Eonwe...
Eonwe Valar: Eruhini is already taken in MEO, might shy away from that
ArPharazonV: Voices of Eru :-P
VardaValar1: Valar Guild sounds familiar
ArathornValar: Personally I like the simple "Valar"
ArathornValar: but I'm simple people :-P
Grimbold V: I say we try Valar first..and then come back to it if we have to on the other names
VardaValar1: So we have Valar Guild, Valar as main, then if we need we have some other possibles
ArPharazonV: Flames from Valinor
VardaValar1: We are a very small sample of the guild, unfortunately
Eonwe Valar: I like Valar GUild because it says what kind of Guild we are :}
VardaValar1: So does Valar, but aye
ArPharazonV: Valiflames
Grimbold V: but in the wow community we will already be known as a guild cause it is a guild tag
Grimbold V: hence the "redundancy"
VardaValar1: True, Grimbold
ArPharazonV: we're the Valar Guild guild...
ArathornValar: Flamy-Guild *runs for cover..*
Eonwe Valar: I realize that
ArPharazonV: wow, my eyes need to adjust...
Grimbold V: Dare I ask about the colors?
Grimbold V: or is that another "can of worms" heh?
ArPharazonV: I've just put off my glasses, after sitting with them before the pc for hours...
VardaValar1: Might be easier to remember our name when seen as Valar, but not hard to remember Valar Guild either
VardaValar1: yes and no ; )
ArathornValar: *sneaks up and snatches the word "guild" from Eonwe's pocket so he can't find/use it* <snicker!>
ArathornValar: Blue, blue ad blue
ArathornValar: *and
ArPharazonV: Flames of Valinor
ArPharazonV: or, for alliteration, Flames From ...Falinor
Grimbold V: I actually like the Blue/yellow cordination in arathorn's pic
Eonwe Valar: *smiths a big neo "GUILD" sign* :}
Grimbold V: *smelts the sign back into liquid*
Eonwe Valar: *neon
ArathornValar: lol (eonwe)
ArPharazonV: Flames of Aman
Grimbold V: I have lvl 105 smelting!
ArPharazonV: we're all forgetting Aman
ArathornValar: OK I'm off REALLY this time . TTYL all!
ArPharazonV: how about Spirits of the Valar?
Grimbold V: catch ya later
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: brb, gonna make meself one of those things we couldn't find a word for so many meetings ago
Eonwe Valar: Part of the reason for me wanting Guild at the end is because we've cut off the "Guild" in the name before, and it hasn't turned out so great fort that group
VardaValar1: Happened twice
Grimbold V: Then why not go w/ another "title" perhaps then instead of adding guild on end
VardaValar1: Once was Eru's making a split-off group when he left the Valar Guild for a while and called it Valar, then let it fall apart
Grimbold V: like the Flame of Valar etc
VardaValar1: Another was in DAoC
VardaValar1: I do think we should try at least to say Valar since we are the Valar Guild
ArPharazonV: Valar Force
Grimbold V: Use the force Luke!!
Grimbold V: err...oops wrong movie *smirk*
VardaValar1: In neither case, however, was it the fault of losing the word "Guild" I think
Eonwe Valar: I'd like it to be clear that when someone joins the group, they're not just joining the WoW group, they are joining the Valar Guild as a whole
VardaValar1: ahh, good point
VardaValar1: But you do not feel saying Valar is enough to get that across?
VardaValar1: Might be true
Grimbold V: Then I believe it will be our jobs as recruiters to refer them to the valar guild website and emphasize on the importance of how big we really are outside of WoW
VardaValar1: Good thought, Grimbold.
VardaValar1: The DAoC people never really joined the wider group
VardaValar1: They even divorced from Tolkien, our main glue
ArPharazonV: we could just use the forum and the meetings to plan ahead our movements in WoW
VardaValar1: We went with non-rp server to allow us to keep Tolkien
Eonwe Valar: Ah, responsibility of the recruiters and the scouts :} Good :} and it will be everyone's responsibility to make sure the new members learn to do this as well :}
ArPharazonV: which would practically force them to join in
VardaValar1: That's a good thought, Phar
VardaValar1: Since we are already doing that in the Forum and meetings, that could help indeed
VardaValar1: A guild chat channel has a tendency to supplant those things
Eonwe Valar: Speaking of which, after we complete the charter, I thought we'd have a chat about some things for concerning the WoW branch (in AIM)
VardaValar1: The guild chat channel is not a bad thing though, if we use it right
Eonwe Valar: aye
VardaValar1: In DAoC, they kept to strict rp and did not allow our usual freedom of speech
VardaValar1: We would not be that way
VardaValar1: We have learned the hard way
Eonwe Valar: aye
Grimbold V: More freedom of choice in WoW I have noticed
VardaValar1: They could have had it in DAoC on a different server
VardaValar1: That is why we picked this kind
ArPharazonV: I've got another idea
Grimbold V: some people I have met are more into RP and others I've met aren't...I can speak w/ both easily, which helps...cause some people who try to RP just shouldn't
ArPharazonV: although it may not completely fit our general policy
VardaValar1: Just say it, Phar : )
ArPharazonV: we could use different rankings, for wow-only members, and members who have integrated in the guild as a whole
ArPharazonV: those fully integrated would have more priviliges, perhaps, in the WoW-group as well
VardaValar1: I can't go with that.
VardaValar1: We discussed this before
ArPharazonV: basically establish 'rewards' for those who integrate...
Grimbold V: I can see problems arising from that..but I think it is a good idea....
VardaValar1: They can't come into WoW as guild members until they come into the guild as a whole
VardaValar1: Otherwise they are only friends
Grimbold V: But I do not have the experience from other games to comment further on that
ArPharazonV: well, that's true, of course...
VardaValar1: But you should mention anything bothering you now!
ArPharazonV: but I don't have that kind of experience either
VardaValar1: Later could be too late
Eonwe Valar: We've discussed this, sort of a Guild friend rank, but there is no real benefit for the member,.. why be a guild firend for one group when you can be a full member in another group?
ArPharazonV: aye, all right
ArPharazonV: yes, I remember discussing this earlier
VardaValar1: Council has sweated through EQ and DAoC set-ups and crashes
VardaValar1: so we are willing to tell you our sad discoveries : )
Eonwe Valar: It also doesn't seem to encourage members to actually read the books
ArPharazonV: aye, a lotr-test would have to be in order before even joining the WoW-branch
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar
ArPharazonV: but passing the test does not imply full integration, in any case
VardaValar1: They can put us on firend list before
ArPharazonV: integration is more than passing a test
VardaValar1: Phar, the test is set up to let people into any game we play and into the forum and into the web Encyc
ArPharazonV: yes, I know
Eonwe Valar: I also think new members should create a new character based on their guild name. Any disagreements with this?
VardaValar1: They are not supposed to be just joining us in WoW
VardaValar1: The guild name is part of joining
ArPharazonV: but giving them the ability to integrate does not mean they actually will, you know
VardaValar1: If they can, they should make a guild char
Grimbold V: Well to comment on the creating new char w/ guild name
VardaValar1: We know, Phar
Grimbold V: I think you will lose more possible members w/ that aspect
VardaValar1: We ran into this on DAoC
Eonwe Valar: If they don't actually join in with us, then are they really a member?
VardaValar1: They could keep the old char and make a new one with guild name
Grimbold V: if you tell them they need to start all over w/ a new char
ArPharazonV: they could just make an alternative char for the guild, yes
Grimbold V: But if they're looking for a guild for that char they are playing on at that moment
VardaValar1: The old character also joins, but must have at least an alt with guild name
ArPharazonV: and, like aim, use their old char in the guild as well
Grimbold V: like if they in the 20's
ArPharazonV: right
Eonwe Valar: We're not looking for the "leetest" guy in the game. If they're willing to start over it's a sign they're also looking for something more
ArPharazonV: uhm
Grimbold V: I see
Grimbold V: so you will allow the old/oringal char to join the guild as well?
ArPharazonV: but most people are not willing to sacrifice 30 levels of experience just to join a guild
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, well hadn't considered the other char getting in
VardaValar1: In DAoC, that is how it was handled though.
Eonwe Valar: People did it for Diablo and Diablo 2
VardaValar1: True, Eonwe. Still, it didn't take as long to make
ArPharazonV: I have a feeling it's easier to level in Diablo than in WoW...
Eonwe Valar: The characters became just as attached as they do in WoW
ArPharazonV: of course they do... but it's easier to make new chars they can get just as attached to
VardaValar1: But a character in EverQuest or other MMORPG may take years to make and we will still be recruiting
VardaValar1: hmm. In D2X they could keep old char, but could only join guild games in new character
ArPharazonV: it's like AIM... we encourage them to use new names, but joining in old names is possible as well
VardaValar1: True, Phar
Grimbold V: and it was much easier to lvl cause you can be rushed in WoW you really can't rush
Eonwe Valar: We've become lax about that, Phar
VardaValar1: They tend to eventually make
ArPharazonV: and it's a LOT easier to make new AIM accounts than develop new WoW characters
VardaValar1: WoW can rush. I've seen it done
ArPharazonV: rushing is never fun
Eonwe Valar: in bnet we'd tell everyone they have to make a new account with their guild name
VardaValar1: I agree, Phar, but many don't
VardaValar1: Aye, in Bnet they had to make a new account and characters. But they could keep old ones for outside play
ArPharazonV: in War3 I didn't care about making a new account... I almost never laddered, and I probably almost never wil
ArPharazonV: *will
VardaValar1: Then they discovered they liked guild play better
Eonwe Valar: It just seems that if everyone could bring in their lvl 50 characters that would destroy alot of the point of coop and community, as you can just bring in the lvl 50 guy to give you whatever you need
ArPharazonV: hmm... they could keep their old chars as guild-friends, and new chars as guildmembers
ArPharazonV: in the end, they'll find out for themselves which of the two is more fun
VardaValar1: I have to mention that in MMORPG's it will be different. I've seen this in EQ
Eonwe Valar: there's be no real difference though,.. I'd like to find a way to encourage assitance and trade within the Guild so that we become self-sufficient
VardaValar1: We can't make ourselves separate as we did on Bnet
VardaValar1: We are constantly around outsiders
VardaValar1: We do mail to each other and have our forum and Sunday meetings
Grimbold V: and constantly in competition as well
VardaValar1: mail inside WoW
ArPharazonV: well, who knows... if the community is powerful enough, we could become relatively self-sufficient, yes
Eonwe Valar: aye, but if we're all helping out within the Guild, and a member can get something they need from us, why would they go pay 80 gold at an auction? that kind of thing
VardaValar1: We are already able to be self-sufficient
ArPharazonV: as long as we keep a good dividance of tradeskills, we could all provide for each other
ArPharazonV: not that I mean to force anybody to pick certain skills, though
VardaValar1: We don't have to have uber stuff at low levels
ArPharazonV: but if we grow great enough, we'll be certain to have sufficient people for each skill
VardaValar1: Yes, we need to have various tradeskills
VardaValar1: We are diverse individuals, and we will have diverse interests that can help the group
ArPharazonV: we could even have our own auctions in our guildhouses :-)
ArPharazonV: or just small markets
ArPharazonV: like those stamp-collectors-meetings
VardaValar1: We already trade and sell between each other
ArPharazonV: philatelists
VardaValar1: We use the mail system to pass things around also
VardaValar1: It's a lot like Diablo : )
VardaValar1: More than I expected, anyway
ArPharazonV: well, if we manage to pull it off that we hardly need to trade with the outside, I will certainly enjoy our own cozy guild-gatherings :-D
VardaValar1: Phar, that is indeed what is happening : )
ArPharazonV: no outside vendors... no public markets... just us
VardaValar1: Trick is to have enough of us online to play with each other
ArPharazonV: this is going to be so cool...
VardaValar1: We need to be sure to keep up our friend lists
VardaValar1: So we need to be sure to tell our names, as on the Forum or email to Maglor
ArPharazonV: Calion the Nightelf
VardaValar1: I also try to keep a list on the Activity page, if that helps
ArPharazonV: Arphy the Gnome
VardaValar1: And we are on Lothar server
Eonwe Valar: Aye, and I hope that there will be at least enough of us in diverse levels so as to make starting a new character worth it due to the community
ArPharazonV: those will be my main lothar-chars
VardaValar1: I keep hearing that our people play on other servers because their friends are there
ArPharazonV: when it comes to the US
VardaValar1: How about the friends once in a while having to come to us!?
ArPharazonV: you're my sole friends, for now :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: Have at least one character on Lothar
ArPharazonV: I'll have 2
ArPharazonV: one in Kalimdor, one in Lordaeron
VardaValar1: Why can't we be the ones dragging our heels about having to leave Lothar?
Eonwe Valar: Well, I'm working on convincing them, but at least one won't do it unless I promise to make a character over on their server :}
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Costs nothing extra, np
VardaValar1: Oh, I'm going to need help with this transcipt. Fell out three times and have pieces : )
ArPharazonV: I'm here from the beginning still
VardaValar1: Yay!
Eonwe Valar: I've got roll
VardaValar1: Oh, and about our quest
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Where did you want us Night Elves to go?
Eonwe Valar: Menethil
Eonwe Valar: Take the ship from Auberdine to Menethil
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Eonwe Valar: arg not again
Grimbold V: Whoa!
ArPharazonV: welcome back
Grimbold V: what happend?
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ArPharazonV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: What continent is Auberdine?
VardaValar1: There we are again
Eonwe Valar: Mianland Kalimdor
ArPharazonV: yup, and I still have everything
Grimbold V: Thought you wanted them to go to Stormwind?
ArPharazonV: I just hope you can survive the trip to Auberdine :-)
Eonwe Valar: You'll eventualyl get to the bottom of Telldrassil and have to sail/fly to Auberdine
VardaValar1: Escorting to Stormwind
VardaValar1: south then
ArPharazonV: Teldrassil-Auberdine-Menethil-Stormwind
Grimbold V: actually forgot Ironforge
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
Grimbold V: have to get to Ironforge..then Stormwind
ArPharazonV: Teldrassil-Auberdine-Menethil-Ironforge-St ormwind
ArPharazonV: did I miss anything?
Eonwe Valar: How many other groups can claim their members get a full escort to a majoy city? :}
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Eonwe Valar: arg
Grimbold V: what in the world is that?
ArPharazonV: welcome back
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Grimbold V: net split or something?
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: Looks like
ArPharazonV: why are you always late, Varda?
Grimbold V: When are we planning this escort?
Eonwe Valar: It's AIM shuffling the attendees so that Varda's at the top :}
VardaValar1: Late to what?
ArPharazonV: lol
ArPharazonV: well, let me put it like this
VardaValar1: AIM loves me : )
Eonwe Valar: We're planning the escort for Next Week.
Eonwe Valar: The escort will gather at the deeprun Tram in Stormwind.
Grimbold V: oh ok
ArPharazonV: let me just say, Varda
VardaValar1: Some of us have to cross all of Teldrassil and make it to Auberdine and then to Menethil, preferably alive
Grimbold V: hmm cause if you wanted to I could escort b4 that time and we could just sign charter next week
ArPharazonV: when you read the transcript
Eonwe Valar: Once we're all there, we get on to Ironforge and hack our way to Menethil, where the NIght Elves will be awaiting us
ArPharazonV: you'll see what I mean
Grimbold V: I have all the way points to menethil all I have to do is sail to Auberdine and hoof it to Teldrassil
Eonwe Valar: If you make it to Darnassus, making it to Auberdine won't be a problem
VardaValar1: I made it to Darnassus : )
VardaValar1: Phar, you mean in AIM, ok : )
Eonwe Valar: Do you know how to bet to the fishing village at the bottom of Teldrassil?
ArPharazonV: yes, with the rejoining after the crash
VardaValar1: No, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Btw, you did notice you were in a giant tree, right? :}
VardaValar1: Yes, Eonwe : )
ArPharazonV: cool
VardaValar1: People keep trying to mine our tree, very funny!
ArPharazonV: like Caras Galadhon
VardaValar1: Aye
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
VardaValar1: Or Yggdrasil
Eonwe Valar: only at about 300 times and with the ability to hold dirt in the branches :}
VardaValar1: You know the name of the fishing village?
Eonwe Valar: Reth something or other..
Eonwe Valar: Near the bank in Darnassus, to the left, is the way down
ArPharazonV: 24
ArPharazonV: how's this?
Eonwe Valar: You should have a quest or 2 that take you to Auberdine by that time anyway
VardaValar1: I will find it. Have a pretty good idea
Eonwe Valar: once you hit somewhere in the teens
ArPharazonV: for any starting zone-travel: use my guide
VardaValar1: 12 now
ArPharazonV: well, not my guide
ArPharazonV: but the guide I just linked to
Eonwe Valar: you can check the map by hitting M for major sections of the city, or ask the guards for direction to get a flag on your map
ArPharazonV: 24#link13 try this
ArPharazonV: Shadowglen to Ironforge
ArPharazonV: screenies included
Eonwe Valar: Hve you been given a quest by the Archdruid yet, Varda?
VardaValar1: no, Eonwe
VardaValar1: O cool - most difficult for Night Elves
Eonwe Valar: hmm
Eonwe Valar: should be soon
ArPharazonV: lol
Eonwe Valar: when you find him :}
VardaValar1: Give me some time, I am trying to do all the quests for each area I hit
ArPharazonV: heheh
VardaValar1: I'm a hunter. Will an Archdruid talk to me? : )
Eonwe Valar: np so do I :}
ArPharazonV: I've been trying to organize a system for my quests as well
Eonwe Valar: THE Archdruid will :}
ArPharazonV: so far, I haven't found any flaws
VardaValar1: So this little jaunt will toast my system, but worth it : )
ArPharazonV: but I still haven't entered the game yet, so who knows :-)
VardaValar1: o good. THE Archdruid, ok
Eonwe Valar: My only problem as a Paladin is atm I have no range with which to pull enemies, so catching them alone is hard :}
VardaValar1: To do quests, have to run back and forth between towns, which picks up more quests. heh
Eonwe Valar: One sec, I'll give you a name to look for :}
ArPharazonV: The trip from the Night Elf starting zone to Ironforge is the most difficult and time consuming of all the trips between the starting zones.
VardaValar1: I heard it before, can find it
ArPharazonV: It involves passing through a level 20-25 region and usually 3 to 4 deaths and takes between 40 minutes to an hour.
VardaValar1: I love a challenge, np
ArPharazonV: well, good luck, I guess :-)
VardaValar1: ouch
Grimbold V: not that long
VardaValar1: I will be wisping a bit then
Eonwe Valar: Fandral Staghelm
ArPharazonV: From Menethil Harbour, follow the road and head east. Stay on the roads all the time and dodge the level 20-25 enemies wandering near the road if you can.
VardaValar1: ahh, have heard of Staghelm
ArPharazonV: You will most likely die about 1/3 of the way to the graveyard. Ressurect at the Spirit Healer in the graveyard and proceed to head south towards Dun Algaz (a mountain pass to Loch Modan).
ArPharazonV: You will die a few more times on the way, perform corpse runs by running to your corpse from the Spirit Healer and ressurecting.
ArPharazonV: well, however you do it... keep the screenshots coming!
Eonwe Valar: Bah, no fun to expect death :}
VardaValar1: Spirit Healer rez's drop 25% of armor durability, which already stinks since I use leather
ArPharazonV: that's what the escort is for, Eonwe
VardaValar1: I generally go find my body
Eonwe Valar: Exactly Phar :}
Eonwe Valar: so that no one has to expect death :}
VardaValar1: I share the account with 4 other people. So I usually get on every other day
ArPharazonV: always expect death... leave no room for disappointment :-)
VardaValar1: I have no illusions. I expect death, but won't worry about it
Eonwe Valar: well, when I say "expect death" I mean use it as a means to get something done :}
VardaValar1: I will try to fight for the comp or better yet, just ask, after supper : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: this is a really good guide... I'll be sure to use it when my time finally comes
VardaValar1: Hoping to see some of you later tonight : )
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VardaValar1: Aiya
ArPharazonV: oh, Varda, how about these comments
Eonwe Valar: bah, my screenshots are in tga format
VardaValar1: I read them on the guide and on your comments
ArPharazonV: A quick comment that was helpful to me, and maybe useful for others who don't go to travel right away.
Grimbold V: Welcome back Arathorn
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV: Store all your durability items at a bank on one end, then pick them up once you're passed the danger areas. No durability concerns at all, then.
Grimbold V: how are the wings?
ArPharazonV: oh, how about this?
VardaValar1: I'll manage, no worries : )
ArPharazonV: From Menethil Harbor: Swim west following the coast. Once you reacher the far west of the continent start swimming south for about 2 min, and then fatigue yourself.
ArPharazonV: You are now resurected in westfall, by sentinal hill. Quickly run east to Goldshire and you are ready to rumble.
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: I have also heard that it is possible to swim from Menethil Harbor down to Westfall. It takes time but is safer than the land route.
ArPharazonV: you could swim...
VardaValar1: I might run along with Grimbold as escort too : )
Grimbold V: hmm swim??
Grimbold V: why
Grimbold V: just hoof it
VardaValar1: I swim pretty well
ArathornValar: tga can be changed to anything with the right progam... I've got photoshop if you want me to convert
Grimbold V: w/ me and a possible friend interested in the guild as escort... he is lvl 28.... I think we can do it
Eonwe Valar: hmm let me see if I can do that with mine,.. knowing my luck that ability was part of the trial period
VardaValar1: I can probably do it in any case, but the company sounds like fun! :-)
Grimbold V: besides he is also pally so he can rez as well
ArPharazonV: I wish I could be there...
ArathornValar: you can download graphics programs for free too
VardaValar1: Paladins are good news : )
ArathornValar: Photostyler maybe? Forget the name :-\
ArPharazonV: there's a good difference between watching screenshots and actually being at the event itself :-(
ArathornValar: Paintshop! that's it!
VardaValar1: The tabard borders didn't look that great
Eonwe Valar: Bah, I had paintshop pro 8, but it's over the trial period
ArathornValar: hmm... downlaod another? :-P
ArPharazonV: I've got paintshop pro 8
ArPharazonV: and it works fine, after this time
VardaValar1: Maybe dark purple to keep from clashing so much? We do wear other colors
ArPharazonV: I think I downloaded it from Kazaalite
VardaValar1: or goldy yellow
ArathornValar: like purple :-)
ArathornValar: purple and gold go well
ArPharazonV: aye, purple and gold is beautiful
VardaValar1: Scouts forever ;-)
ArathornValar: er.. so what's happening.. I don't see anyone in WoW :-(
ArPharazonV: purple and gold... the truly royal colors
ArPharazonV: I'm not Pharazon the Golden for nothing :-)
VardaValar1: So that's a possibility. Flaming sword with gold and purple. Sounds kind of Valary :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: I'll be there tonight :} btw Arathorn, you would happen to be working on defias looters and such would you?
VardaValar1: Suggesting, not saying
ArathornValar: O, btw I made a new Elf hunter to play with Grim again... Arathornia :-P (and anyone else startign out :-))
Eonwe Valar: See, we'll always have someone with low lvl chars :}
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArathornValar: yes! Need help with that too
Eonwe Valar: even if it is me with my one and only char :}
ArPharazonV: aye, how is Auros doing?
Eonwe Valar: lvl 17,.. just got Redemption
ArPharazonV: ah
ArathornValar: Well, Eonwe us Schizophrenics need to keep all our personalities happy :-P
Eonwe Valar: hehe Arathorn
ArPharazonV: when I really get into the game I'll have 4 really distinct characters...
VardaValar1: Aye, always low level characters. Reminds me of D2X again ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArathornValar: Ok, well, I'm going to WoW then and make some armor for my other chars (then mail them). I'll wait for you all in there... may bounce between chars at first in case you wonder why I'm not around.
ArPharazonV: Night-Elf rogue (dagger), Gnome Warrior, Undead Rogue (bow), Troll Priest
Grimbold V: I'm off to WoW as well hope to see you there
ArathornValar: Namarie all!
ArPharazonV: Namarie
Grimbold V: Namarie
ArathornValar: and my wings are almost ready too! :-D
Eonwe Valar: hf :}
ArPharazonV: you gonna fly?
VardaValar1: Namarie
VardaValar1: Arathorn, what class?
Grimbold V: there isn't just 1 class w/ Arathorn lol
VardaValar1: hunter, got it
Grimbold V: yea he's making leather I believe
VardaValar1: Arathornia, NE hunter
ArathornValar: chicken wings silly! :-P
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VardaValar1: NE Hunter female is what I am too, heh
ArathornValar: roight now I'm in as Harana human warlock (female)
VardaValar1: Too bad you're not a guy ; )
VardaValar1: j/k
VardaValar1: I'm off for now, hope to be in WoW later, connection allowing
ArathornValar: er .. thot I was ... <snicker>
Eonwe Valar: take care :}
VardaValar1: Namarie, and please send transcript
ArPharazonV: Namarie
ArPharazonV: sure will
Eonwe Valar: I'll send a copy of the roll before I go to WoW
VardaValar1: :-D
ArPharazonV: if you receive it, mail me tomorrow
VardaValar1: Will do
ArPharazonV: or tonight... your choice
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ArathornValar: My transcript is a mess so I'll leave it to trusty Ar-phar to send a complete one (I got bumped too often today :-\)
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ArPharazonV: Ah, Eonwe
ArPharazonV: would you still have an answer for me?
ArPharazonV: did Frodo actually kill anybody?
ArPharazonV: ah, you were there in the beginning...
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ArPharazonV: well, I guess this is it, I'll be saving...
ArPharazonV: and Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: afk for a ec
ArPharazonV: saved
ArPharazonV: will be sending now
ArPharazonV: well, Namarie to you all... 3
ArPharazonV: I'm off to bed
ArPharazonV: have fun in WoW
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Eonwe Valar: back
Eonwe Valar: that was a long sec :}