Valar Guild

August 29, 2004 Meeting

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5pm EST (GMT-5)

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transcript from Arathorn, webwork by Varda

Before-meeting
Meeting Begins - Varda-(Valar) presiding
Membership:
Web:
    See News page between meetings
Gaming:
    AoH
    EQ EverQuest
    Fellowship of Middle-earth
    LotR RPG
    Magic the Gathering Online
    Middle-earth Online (during After-meeting)
    WarCraft and The Frozen Throne
    WoW World of WarCraft
Tolkien:
    Elwing-V's topic: communication with animals in M-e
After-meeting

Before-meeting:
(4:41:25 PM) ThorondorV has entered the room.
ThorondorV (4:41:35 PM): Greetings
(4:48:19 PM) VardaValar1 has entered the room.
(4:48:26 PM) Grimbold V has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:48:26 PM): Aiya
Grimbold V (4:48:35 PM): Aiya
(4:48:38 PM) Arwen V1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:48:54 PM): Aiya :-)
Arwen V1 (4:49:04 PM): yay
ThorondorV (4:49:04 PM): Hello
VardaValar1 (4:49:12 PM): Aiya Eagle!
ThorondorV (4:49:16 PM): Arathorn seems to be away
ThorondorV (4:49:19 PM): Hey! :-)
Grimbold V (4:49:23 PM): Arathorn add me to your list
Grimbold V (4:49:37 PM): you're settings are only for those you have in your
list
VardaValar1 (4:50:07 PM): Eowyn, Fangorn, and Elwing are in the room live and
say hi
ThorondorV (4:50:22 PM): heya heya
Grimbold V (4:50:33 PM): Greetings!
VardaValar1 (4:50:47 PM): You have to leave soon, Thorondor?
VardaValar1 (4:51:05 PM): Anything you would like to have brought up, comment to
pass on, Tolkien topic?
ThorondorV (4:51:14 PM): I need to be waking up in 8 hours
(4:51:19 PM) VardaValar1 has left the room.
ThorondorV (4:51:46 PM): Not feeling really sleepy though
(4:52:34 PM) TurgonjustTurgon has entered the room.
(4:52:38 PM) VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:52:41 PM): Thanks
TurgonjustTurgon (4:52:42 PM): Aiya
ThorondorV (4:52:48 PM): Heya Turgon, wb Varda..
Grimbold V (4:52:49 PM): Welcome back Varda
VardaValar1 (4:52:54 PM): Using a diff comp, temperamental
VardaValar1 (4:53:36 PM): I'm going to switch comps
(4:53:40 PM) FladrifV has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:53:42 PM): Eowyn turned me loose
VardaValar1 (4:53:46 PM): Aiya Fladrif
FladrifV (4:53:48 PM): Aiya
ThorondorV (4:54:00 PM): Hello Fladrif
VardaValar1 (4:54:02 PM): I'll be back
FladrifV (4:54:04 PM): I'm on my new adress :-)
(4:54:04 PM) VardaValar1 has left the room.
ThorondorV (4:54:15 PM): yey
(4:54:16 PM) Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Grimbold V (4:54:22 PM): Aiya!
Eonwe Valar (4:54:26 PM): Heya :}
FladrifV (4:54:30 PM): and good news I have braught war3 with me :-)
FladrifV (4:54:32 PM): and magic
ThorondorV (4:54:53 PM): Heya Eonwe =)
Grimbold V (4:54:55 PM): brb foraging for food
Eonwe Valar (4:55:20 PM): Heya Thorondor :} How goes it?
(4:55:35 PM) VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:55:38 PM): Thanks
(4:55:42 PM) DemonicHorde69 has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:55:43 PM): Getting Elwing set up now
VardaValar1 (4:55:44 PM): Aiya
ThorondorV (4:55:53 PM): Fine, fine thanks :-) Only two more days work and the
studies start again
(4:55:56 PM) GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GwaihirValar (4:56:04 PM): hi
ThorondorV (4:56:09 PM): How about you, mellon :-)
ThorondorV (4:56:19 PM): Hey Gwai, still in England?
(4:56:22 PM) MJKeenan123 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (4:56:26 PM): Hehe I get to start classes tomorrow at 9 am :}
ThorondorV (4:56:40 PM): whohoo
DemonicHorde69 (4:56:45 PM): i always have work sundays
DemonicHorde69 (4:56:49 PM): so im sorry im never actually attending meetings
DemonicHorde69 (4:56:54 PM): but i am reading up on what you guys say
(4:56:56 PM) GilraenV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (4:56:56 PM): yeah, means I get to get up at 7 am :}
GwaihirValar (4:57:07 PM): I'm not in England anymore... in Toronto now... or
well, near to...
Eonwe Valar (4:57:27 PM): Demonic Horde = Maglor?
ThorondorV (4:57:29 PM): mmkay
ThorondorV (4:57:44 PM): Ah Demonic is Mablung, right?
GwaihirValar (4:58:30 PM): question beforehand... I can't remember any points,
but I could be just forgetful... Arwen never, in the books, went near any actual
battles did she?
MJKeenan123 (4:58:31 PM): sorry for not being at many meetings recently
MJKeenan123 (4:58:34 PM): I work
MJKeenan123 (4:58:35 PM): a lot
Eonwe Valar (4:58:50 PM): No she didn't :}
VardaValar1 (4:58:54 PM): Arwen was not a fighter, right
GwaihirValar (4:58:55 PM): That's what I thought
ThorondorV (4:58:59 PM): Can't remember any, Gwai
GwaihirValar (4:59:09 PM): but I didn't wanna post that in a forum definitively
when I wasn
GwaihirValar (4:59:13 PM): 't 100% sure :-)
VardaValar1 (4:59:20 PM): Reread LotR :-)
GwaihirValar (4:59:28 PM): I need to
GwaihirValar (4:59:30 PM): and I plan to
GwaihirValar (4:59:31 PM): lol
GwaihirValar (4:59:35 PM): but I don't have them with me yet
(4:59:59 PM) Elwing V has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (5:00:03 PM): Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:00:08 PM): Heya Elwing :}
ThorondorV (5:00:19 PM): Good evening, Elwing
Elwing V (5:00:47 PM): Good afternoon (here) all
VardaValar1 (5:00:54 PM): Four girls here :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:01:08 PM): Well, to those who usually work during meetings, good
to see you here tonight :}
ThorondorV (5:01:09 PM): Yay, is this a record?
GwaihirValar (5:01:12 PM): well, if you count Luthien who is in the shower but
isn't all that faraway... it's 5 :-)
VardaValar1 (5:01:43 PM): Eowyn hopes to be along in the chat shortly
VardaValar1 (5:02:06 PM): I haven't been counting, but if Eowyn makes it, it
will be
ThorondorV (5:02:07 PM): I'm usually sleeping right now, but drank "too much"
coffee today
VardaValar1 (5:02:46 PM): I must tell Sam that there is a too much for coffee
ThorondorV (5:02:56 PM): hehe
ThorondorV (5:03:45 PM): There's a coffee automat 5 meters away from me at work.
brr.
(5:03:51 PM) DaeTPringl has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (5:03:56 PM): Aiya Eowyn
Arwen V1 (5:04:01 PM): Eowyn!
DaeTPringl (5:04:02 PM): Hail
Eonwe Valar (5:04:08 PM): There are Diet Pringles now? :}
ThorondorV (5:04:09 PM): Heya heya, Eowyn
DaeTPringl (5:04:14 PM): yup
DaeTPringl (5:04:21 PM): Vulcan Diet Pringles
VardaValar1 (5:04:26 PM): Pardon the Star Trek impaired ;-)
Elwing V (5:04:29 PM): There's diet everything now bleah
GwaihirValar (5:04:37 PM): heh
ThorondorV (5:04:40 PM): Diet hamburgers?
DaeTPringl (5:04:40 PM): lol
Elwing V (5:04:44 PM): ie taste free :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:04:46 PM): Fattening food is not supposed to be healthy :}
VardaValar1 (5:04:50 PM): Soy burgers, veggie burgers
ThorondorV (5:05:03 PM): I wouldn't trust them :-)
VardaValar1 (5:05:35 PM): Inviting now
(5:06:43 PM) DaeTPringl has left the room.
VardaValar1 (5:06:44 PM): What happened to Finarfin?
VardaValar1 (5:06:56 PM): Eowyn accidentally fell out
Elwing V (5:07:13 PM): of her pringle can?
VardaValar1 (5:07:17 PM): yes
(5:07:18 PM) DaeTPringl has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (5:07:32 PM): Good luck with the stability on that comp
VardaValar1 (5:08:21 PM): If anyone comes up with a Tolkien topic, please PM me
VardaValar1 (5:09:32 PM): Let's start
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Meeting
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VardaValar1 (5:09:39 PM): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1 (5:09:44 PM): Member News:
VardaValar1 (5:10:02 PM): Grimbold and Thorondor made it :-)
VardaValar1 (5:10:29 PM): Orodreth's grandmother has been very ill, nearly died,
currently in a nursing home
VardaValar1 (5:10:40 PM): so he will probably be moving in with his parents
VardaValar1 (5:11:05 PM): that puts him on a dial-up connection, problem in
gaming, but he should still be around
VardaValar1 (5:11:26 PM): Embla-TV says hi, a Tolkien-only from Sweden
VardaValar1 (5:11:35 PM): She's been out all summer in Finland
VardaValar1 (5:11:47 PM): Her grandma died, uncle and aunt both have cancer
VardaValar1 (5:12:07 PM): She is back in Sweden temporarily, then off to
Australia
VardaValar1 (5:12:19 PM): We do have a member in Australia,Ungoliant, another
girl
VardaValar1 (5:12:30 PM): Noticed we didn't have her name on our lists
VardaValar1 (5:12:41 PM): She's a member for life, invited by Manwe
VardaValar1 (5:12:53 PM): No, not a girl friend :-)
VardaValar1 (5:13:16 PM): Gwaihir, you are in Toronto with Luthien and Eomer
now? Like to tell us anything?
VardaValar1 (5:14:47 PM): Gwaihir? Oh Gwaihir?
GilraenV (5:15:13 PM): think you scared him off Varda
VardaValar1 (5:15:31 PM): Looks like :-)
VardaValar1 (5:15:41 PM): They all go afk when I start typing ;-)
GilraenV (5:15:46 PM): hehe
GwaihirValar (5:15:50 PM): sry
Eonwe Valar (5:15:51 PM): Maybe spread some birdseed? :} Salmon if that doesn't
work ? :}
VardaValar1 (5:15:52 PM): Any other Member news?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:15:53 PM): prolly Luthien and Eomer gawked him for
themselves :-)
VardaValar1 (5:15:56 PM): hehe
ThorondorV (5:16:03 PM): Sounds delicious
VardaValar1 (5:16:22 PM): Gwaihir, are you going to show them how to come to
meetings? : )
(5:16:27 PM) ArPharazonV has entered the room.
Elwing V (5:16:28 PM): salmon w/birdseed stuffing mmmm
ArPharazonV (5:16:30 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (5:16:38 PM): Aiya Phar :-)
ArPharazonV (5:16:41 PM): Sorry I'm late... I was playing the...
ArPharazonV (5:16:47 PM): best.. lotr..map...ever
GwaihirValar (5:16:53 PM): blah, I'm just used to my home comp... where I get
message notifs for chatrooms
GwaihirValar (5:17:05 PM): here I don't
VardaValar1 (5:17:08 PM): We'll have to call on you soon :-)
GwaihirValar (5:17:11 PM): hehe
GwaihirValar (5:17:20 PM): Luth and Eom know how to get here... they're just too
lazy to
ArPharazonV (5:17:28 PM): Fellowship of Middleearth, high recommendation from
me, if you don't mind it following the movies largely
VardaValar1 (5:17:30 PM): Ok, long as they know. Thanks
VardaValar1 (5:17:37 PM): Phar, wait for Gaming please
ArPharazonV (5:17:40 PM): sorry
ArPharazonV (5:17:42 PM): where are we now?
VardaValar1 (5:17:47 PM): Any other Member News?
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VardaValar1 (5:17:59 PM): If not, Web News:
ArPharazonV (5:18:02 PM): darn, I know I had some... nevermind...
VardaValar1 (5:18:13 PM): Do any of you have Web News? Eonwe? Anyone?
Eonwe Valar (5:18:35 PM): Not I :}
(editor's note: was some Web news, please see News page for news since last meeting)
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VardaValar1 (5:18:38 PM): Gaming News:
ArPharazonV (5:18:39 PM): no, not really
ArPharazonV (5:18:45 PM): ok
VardaValar1 (5:18:47 PM): Eonwe, you had some WoW news?
Eonwe Valar (5:18:57 PM): Yes :}
VardaValar1 (5:18:58 PM): World of WarCraft
VardaValar1 (5:19:08 PM): Please go ahead
TurgonjustTurgon (5:19:25 PM): bet it is about the North America stress test
beta on gamespy
ArPharazonV (5:19:37 PM): I though fileplanet?
ArPharazonV (5:19:40 PM): *thought
Eonwe Valar (5:19:40 PM): Right now, Blizzard has an opening for 100,000 people
to help stress-test their servers for 7 days
TurgonjustTurgon (5:19:53 PM): same thing Phara
TurgonjustTurgon (5:19:57 PM): and I was right :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (5:20:17 PM): gamespies downloadcache is fileplanet
Eonwe Valar (5:20:20 PM): Priority is given to fileplanet members, but according
to blizzard, non-subscribers at least have some chance
ArPharazonV (5:20:22 PM): oh, ok
Eonwe Valar (5:20:56 PM): don't expect optimal playing if you get in,.. they
are, after all, stressing their servers :}
TurgonjustTurgon (5:21:05 PM): Eonwe
Eonwe Valar (5:21:09 PM): and it is only for 7 days, remember that too :}
TurgonjustTurgon (5:21:19 PM): you forgetting a tad of important thing about it
VardaValar1 (5:21:21 PM): But it gives you a sneak peek
TurgonjustTurgon (5:21:59 PM): it's for North Americans only
Eonwe Valar (5:22:22 PM): Well, since you already beat me to mentioing it,
Turgon, I figured I could leave it as said
TurgonjustTurgon (5:22:44 PM): hehe, prolly right :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:22:57 PM): That's all my news.
VardaValar1 (5:23:09 PM): Thanks Eonwe
VardaValar1 (5:23:18 PM): We have some news from Oropher
VardaValar1 (5:24:07 PM): Oropher is applying to the same EQ guild as Bilbo-V
VardaValar1 (5:24:15 PM): who is Latiralis in EverQuest
VardaValar1 (5:24:26 PM): Oropher saw Gelina/ Earendil in AoH
VardaValar1 (5:24:34 PM): Turgon has some TFT news
VardaValar1 (5:24:38 PM): Go ahead Turgon
ArPharazonV (5:24:48 PM): Latiralis.... reminds me of a museum nearby....
VardaValar1 (5:25:02 PM): It's a band
TurgonjustTurgon (5:25:40 PM): here comes
TurgonjustTurgon (5:25:54 PM): when logging into TFT a couple days ago, I got
the following message:
TurgonjustTurgon (5:26:13 PM): Your clan is in danger of expiring due to
inacticity by its members
ArPharazonV (5:26:24 PM): right, was going to mention that, you beat me to it
VardaValar1 (5:26:38 PM): Thanks
VardaValar1 (5:26:51 PM): We all need to drop into Clan Vala channel in our WC3
or TFT accounts
TurgonjustTurgon (5:26:51 PM): always good to have a typing speed of 200 strokes
a minute :-)
VardaValar1 (5:26:54 PM): hehe
ArPharazonV (5:27:00 PM): at least 10 of us, I think
ArPharazonV (5:27:18 PM): oh, and Turg, one sideeffect to your quick typing
VardaValar1 (5:27:21 PM): I need a new flag too, I think
ArPharazonV (5:27:23 PM): inacticity
ArPharazonV (5:27:35 PM): spelling mistakes ;-)
VardaValar1 (5:27:42 PM): Too fast typos are Manweitis :-)
Elwing V (5:28:07 PM): not to mention smoking keyboards
VardaValar1 (5:28:13 PM): Eonwe and Gwaihir both able to give out flags today?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:28:14 PM): heh, usually I see them in time, but sometimes, I
type so fast I can't even see them before I have pressed enter :-)
FladrifV (5:28:27 PM): ok I'm in the clan of TfT
VardaValar1 (5:28:35 PM): That's just hitting the Enter too fast ; )
FladrifV (5:28:47 PM): :P
VardaValar1 (5:28:52 PM): Clan Vala channel?
FladrifV (5:29:04 PM): yes
VardaValar1 (5:29:15 PM): Have to reinstall WC3 on this comp, is on another comp
VardaValar1 (5:29:26 PM): Will try to do that after the meeting
VardaValar1 (5:29:34 PM): Any other Gaming News?
FladrifV (5:29:36 PM): /me is than already sleaping
VardaValar1 (5:29:47 PM): Thanks, Ent :-)
ArPharazonV (5:29:59 PM): old ents sleep often
ArPharazonV (5:30:02 PM): :-)
FladrifV (5:30:02 PM): hehe
GwaihirValar (5:30:04 PM): I can't give flags today, not at home...
FladrifV (5:30:06 PM): I have some magic news
VardaValar1 (5:30:11 PM): Leaves Eonwe :-)
GwaihirValar (5:30:14 PM): but starting Tuesday evening
GwaihirValar (5:30:17 PM): I will be able to agian
VardaValar1 (5:30:25 PM): Back home then?
GwaihirValar (5:30:27 PM): that's why I've been inactive...
GwaihirValar (5:30:27 PM): aye
VardaValar1 (5:30:35 PM): Congrats : )
GwaihirValar (5:30:39 PM): been away from home for a while
GwaihirValar (5:30:49 PM): for obvious reasons heh
VardaValar1 (5:30:52 PM): Getting engaged. We'll forgive that!
VardaValar1 (5:31:22 PM): Any other Gaming News? Phar's LotR?
ArPharazonV (5:31:28 PM): right
ArPharazonV (5:31:42 PM): the reason I'm late, is because of one very large map
GilraenV (5:31:43 PM): so kind Varda
ArPharazonV (5:32:25 PM): it's called 'Fellowship of Middleearth', or something
like that, and it follows the movies from Rivendell until the crowning of
Aragorn
ArPharazonV (5:33:04 PM): I started to play it like 2 hours ago, didn't finish
until 15 minutes ago
Eonwe Valar (5:33:14 PM): In channel now should anyone require the tag
VardaValar1 (5:33:26 PM): Thanks Eonwe.
ArPharazonV (5:33:28 PM): I recommend it to anybody who wants to see a good lotr
map, even if it's only the movies
(5:33:38 PM) Celebrimbor V has entered the room.
Celebrimbor V (5:33:40 PM): aiya
ArPharazonV (5:33:42 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (5:33:44 PM): Aiya Celebrimbor : )
Celebrimbor V (5:34:02 PM): can't stay long, about to head to work, but just
wanted to drop in
ArPharazonV (5:34:03 PM): I've saved both map and replay, anybody wanting them
has to IM me
VardaValar1 (5:34:12 PM): Thanks for coming by : )
ArPharazonV (5:34:14 PM): well, saved map.. I just downloaded it
VardaValar1 (5:34:22 PM): Thanks Phar, sounds interesting!
VardaValar1 (5:34:55 PM): Fladrif has gaming news, go ahead
FladrifV (5:35:21 PM): I have been plaing magic the gathering online against
turgon for several times now
FladrifV (5:35:36 PM): and its real nice to be able to make deckswith all magic
cards
FladrifV (5:35:38 PM): for free
FladrifV (5:35:54 PM): we have build several decks so I would recomend it for
anyone :-)
FladrifV (5:36:33 PM): only draw back is that you have to do all the moves
yourself and know all the rules
(5:36:47 PM) DemonicHorde69 has left the room.
VardaValar1 (5:36:48 PM): So it's for old hands : )
ArPharazonV (5:37:09 PM): new decks for old players, how fitting
TurgonjustTurgon (5:37:15 PM): yep, but new people can learn it with the help of
the "oldies"
TurgonjustTurgon (5:37:32 PM): heh, most decks I made are reflections of what I
have made myself, or seen
FladrifV (5:37:34 PM): yes
FladrifV (5:38:01 PM): and we are willing to explain the rules
FladrifV (5:38:05 PM): or not turgon?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:38:09 PM): of course
FladrifV (5:38:12 PM): :P
VardaValar1 (5:38:16 PM): Just try to stop him ; )
TurgonjustTurgon (5:38:17 PM): always willing to help others
VardaValar1 (5:38:21 PM): More member news:
TurgonjustTurgon (5:38:31 PM): right ya are Varda :-)
VardaValar1 (5:38:37 PM): Elrond posted to the Forum to let us know he's still
alive
Elwing V (5:38:55 PM): Im so glad !
VardaValar1 (5:39:03 PM): : )
Celebrimbor V (5:39:21 PM): oh, btw
Celebrimbor V (5:39:25 PM): I got some news
VardaValar1 (5:39:31 PM): Celebrimbor's news turn :-)
Celebrimbor V (5:39:42 PM): there is a new game coming out
Celebrimbor V (5:39:55 PM): it's called Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
Celebrimbor V (5:40:01 PM): it's a turn-based RPG
Celebrimbor V (5:40:20 PM): you have a part of four that follows the wake of the
fellowship and once in a while joins with it
Celebrimbor V (5:40:32 PM): the example they give is you fight next to Gandalf
against the Balrog
Celebrimbor V (5:40:45 PM): two men, an elf, and a dwarf
VardaValar1 (5:40:56 PM): So we fall off the narrow bridge?
VardaValar1 (5:41:11 PM): Hobbits probably did fall off?
Celebrimbor V (5:41:30 PM): I'm not sure...here's the link to the trailer......
Celebrimbor V (5:41:33 PM):
http://www.eagames.com/official/lordoftherings/thethirdage/us
/videos.jsp?setID=Teaser+Trailer&platformID=PlayStation+2&resID =hi

Celebrimbor V (5:41:38 PM): it's an awesome trailer
Elwing V (5:41:38 PM): uh oh
Elwing V (5:41:52 PM): poor hobbits
VardaValar1 (5:41:54 PM): Thanks! A bunch of us will be looking at it, you can
bet!
Celebrimbor V (5:42:10 PM): yeah
Celebrimbor V (5:42:14 PM): that was my bit of news
VardaValar1 (5:42:20 PM): Much appreciated!
ArPharazonV (5:42:29 PM): heh, just going over my list of replays... hard to
believe the titles I make up those few seconds...
Celebrimbor V (5:42:30 PM): anytime
VardaValar1 (5:42:31 PM): Anyone else?
ArPharazonV (5:43:02 PM): ranging from '1' to 'yeah victory' :-D
ArPharazonV (5:43:29 PM): oh, btw, Arathorn just asked me question
Celebrimbor V (5:43:29 PM): well, I must go to work...movie theatre calls
Celebrimbor V (5:43:32 PM): namarie all
ArPharazonV (5:43:35 PM): namarie
ArPharazonV (5:43:46 PM): yes, it is a tft-map, for all of you who want to know
Eonwe Valar (5:43:49 PM): A note on the WC3 branch problem mentioned earlier
VardaValar1 (5:44:04 PM): Namarie, Celebrimbor!
(5:44:09 PM) Celebrimbor V has left the room.
VardaValar1 (5:44:26 PM): Go ahead Eonwe
TurgonjustTurgon (5:44:39 PM): seems the LotR game is like FF
Eonwe Valar (5:44:42 PM): I tried checking our page on blizzard's site telling
how long it's been since members last logged in,..
ArathornValar (5:45:03 PM): ooh.. the trailer has dwarf secrets :D.. Haran would
like!
Eonwe Valar (5:45:06 PM): every time I click on the link, it takes me back to
the main ladder index.
VardaValar1 (5:45:35 PM): Does that mean we aren't around now?
VardaValar1 (5:45:45 PM): Glitch?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:45:56 PM): ack!
Eonwe Valar (5:45:58 PM): Assuming no one else can get to it either, I'd say
that's not good and all the WC3 guys that still want a branch need to get on
this week.
TurgonjustTurgon (5:46:02 PM): the Balrog flies!
GwaihirValar (5:46:17 PM): I will get on come Tuesday evening(around 10 Central
prolly)
ArathornValar (5:46:19 PM): maybe he's just gliding :P
VardaValar1 (5:46:23 PM): Will do Chieftain!
Eonwe Valar (5:46:23 PM): Well, Fladrif and I both still have the Guild tag, so
we must still exist
VardaValar1 (5:46:30 PM): ah good!
TurgonjustTurgon (5:46:43 PM): he's flying
TurgonjustTurgon (5:46:49 PM): flapping his wings
Elwing V (5:46:50 PM): Balrog flies must be worse than horse flies :-)
ArathornValar (5:46:56 PM): lol
VardaValar1 (5:47:20 PM): Even fire and smoke won't keep them off.
Eonwe Valar (5:47:23 PM): Yeah, horse flies don't hit you with long flaming
whips.
ThorondorV (5:47:24 PM): Ehmm, time for me to go, again. Before it's too early.
:/ It was nice to see you again.
Eonwe Valar (5:47:36 PM): Sleep well Eagle
ArPharazonV (5:47:37 PM): namarie
ThorondorV (5:47:45 PM): Thanks, good night.
VardaValar1 (5:47:46 PM): Namarie! May the airs of Manwe not tickle your wings
ThorondorV (5:47:50 PM): :-)
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ArPharazonV (5:48:14 PM): yep, still got the tag as well...
VardaValar1 (5:48:22 PM): Yay! That's three
ArPharazonV (5:49:26 PM): Eonwe's right about the clan-link-thingy... happens
here too
VardaValar1 (5:49:37 PM): eww

Tolkien:
VardaValar1 (5:49:44 PM): Are we ready for some Tolkien?
Arwen V1 (5:49:51 PM): yay
ArPharazonV (5:49:55 PM): nice
VardaValar1 (5:50:02 PM): Elwing has a topic : )
ArPharazonV (5:50:03 PM): btw
ArPharazonV (5:50:08 PM): who's daetpringl?
VardaValar1 (5:50:11 PM): Eowyn
Eonwe Valar (5:50:18 PM): The shieldmaiden of Rohan
ArPharazonV (5:50:22 PM): :-)
ArPharazonV (5:50:24 PM): ok
Elwing V (5:50:28 PM): Concerning communication of various animals...
Eonwe Valar (5:50:48 PM): Slayer of the Witch-King, wife of Faramir, and several
other things besides :}
DaeTPringl (5:50:49 PM): I'll make an Eowyn identity eventually
VardaValar1 (5:50:56 PM): Well said
DaeTPringl (5:50:56 PM): Eonwe knows!
ArPharazonV (5:51:04 PM): is there an explanation to the name?
Elwing V (5:51:15 PM): (as far as I'm aware) spiders and dragons and eagles
could speak...
DaeTPringl (5:51:33 PM): er, Vulcan Pringles chips?
Eonwe Valar (5:51:35 PM): A good herald knows how to name off the fancy titles
:}
Elwing V (5:51:50 PM): I wonder at how they were able yet others that would seem
more likely to apparently did not...
ArPharazonV (5:51:54 PM): Pringles, well, that explains it, partly
DaeTPringl (5:52:13 PM): Years ago when I had to pick a user id it wouldn't let
me pick anything I wanted! I'll make an Eowyn id eventually
ArPharazonV (5:52:28 PM): wow.... Legolas looks like a girl in the trailer...
VardaValar1 (5:52:33 PM): ouch
DaeTPringl (5:52:36 PM): lol, a girl
VardaValar1 (5:53:04 PM): Phar, we are in our Tolkien section if you would like
to join in
ArPharazonV (5:53:15 PM): right, just mentioning it
VardaValar1 (5:53:23 PM): Elwing, which creatures would have been more likely to
speak?
Elwing V (5:53:33 PM): animals that had quite a bit of interaction with people
(by that I'm meaning elves, humans, orcs...)
VardaValar1 (5:53:56 PM): with humanoids, ok
Eonwe Valar (5:54:07 PM): "With bird on bough and best in den/In their own
secret tongues he spoke."
Elwing V (5:54:21 PM): horses (I am told mearas did at first, but not later -
was ability just ignored or lost)
ArPharazonV (5:55:10 PM): Huan talked, although he came from Valinor, and only
spoke thrice...
Elwing V (5:55:21 PM): seems wolves (or wargs) might have
GwaihirValar (5:55:27 PM): I think I remember Fangorn mentioning that the Elves
were tring to get everything to speak
VardaValar1 (5:55:28 PM): Huan was only allowed to speak three times
GwaihirValar (5:55:32 PM): in the book I mean
Eonwe Valar (5:55:38 PM): I would say that Eagles, Spiders, and Dragons are
somewhat special cases in that they have direct connections to Valar, but not in
that they spoke but that they spoke the tongues of the Free Peoples
GwaihirValar (5:55:40 PM): trying*
VardaValar1 (5:55:44 PM): Aye, Gwaihir
VardaValar1 (5:56:12 PM): The Thrushes had a special thing going on
GwaihirValar (5:56:19 PM): so I would assume that most creatures who were in
contact with the Elves in the early days would've been taugh to... but probably
forgot to in the later days...
Eonwe Valar (5:56:37 PM): Orcs may have had their own way of getting things to
talk? :}
VardaValar1 (5:56:38 PM): Perhaps not enough elves were around later to keep up
the talking?
ArPharazonV (5:57:11 PM): how about trolls?
Eonwe Valar (5:57:27 PM): Trolls are dumb lumps of mobile stone just about :}
VardaValar1 (5:57:29 PM): Humanoids. What about them?
ArPharazonV (5:57:41 PM): humanoids? ok
Elwing V (5:58:12 PM): going also by some comparison to mundane necessity for
speech - generally need tongue which spiders don't have...
Eonwe Valar (5:58:14 PM): Might've been created from ents not completely
"awakened" by the Elves.
VardaValar1 (5:58:36 PM): Partially awakened trees?
ArPharazonV (5:58:44 PM): and ents do have tongues, Eonwe?
VardaValar1 (5:58:47 PM): The spiders in the Hobbit talked
VardaValar1 (5:58:59 PM): Ents probably have tongues
Elwing V (5:59:14 PM): think only giant Murkwood ones spoke and related to
Shelob (special case) maybe gave them something "special"
TurgonjustTurgon (5:59:18 PM): but then again, the Ents are directly tied to
Yavanna
ArathornValar (5:59:19 PM): Oddly enough Trolls didn't speak in the movies..
although they really weren't in a conversational scenario ..heh
Eonwe Valar (5:59:34 PM): You can't roll that "r" in burrrarum without one :}
FladrifV (5:59:44 PM): :-)
ArPharazonV (5:59:47 PM): right, the mirkwoodspiders spoke, shelob spoke,
ungoliant spoke... and neither of them should have had tongues
VardaValar1 (5:59:47 PM): Giant Mirkwood spiders, good point, probably extra
abilities in there
VardaValar1 (5:59:58 PM): Trolls in the movie were already stoned. Hard to talk
TurgonjustTurgon (6:00:11 PM): probably descendants from Ungoliant, and perhaps
mentioned somewhere
VardaValar1 (6:00:13 PM): Right on, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar (6:00:14 PM): Speaking Spiders are Ungoliant's fault
VardaValar1 (6:00:50 PM): Ungoliant had broods, one of which had Shelob.
Apparently would have had to have known giant Mirkwood spiders for that
GwaihirValar (6:00:57 PM): as far as we know only the Great Eagles spoke as
well...
GwaihirValar (6:01:01 PM): and the 'true' Ents
VardaValar1 (6:01:01 PM): so Eonwe's probably right
ArPharazonV (6:01:04 PM): it is said she had offspring in Beleriand, that area
north of Doriath... can't remember the exact name
GwaihirValar (6:01:05 PM): and the greatest of the Horses
Eonwe Valar (6:01:14 PM): Nan DUngortheb
ArPharazonV (6:01:20 PM): right, that one
Eonwe Valar (6:01:30 PM): That's where she retreated after her bout with
Morgoth's Balrogs
GwaihirValar (6:01:50 PM): it'd seem like only the 'special' cases of each
species retained the ability to speak
Eonwe Valar (6:02:05 PM): I never did envy male spiders :}
Elwing V (6:02:09 PM): Birds in general have good mimic ability so talking would
seem an easy step for most of them to take
ArPharazonV (6:02:18 PM): they lose their heads sometimes, male spiders
VardaValar1 (6:02:29 PM): Good point, Gwaihir. Shows the ability dying off,
rather sad
VardaValar1 (6:03:08 PM): Lot of the fading idea shows in strange places in the
story
Elwing V (6:03:09 PM): Males lose their headsover girls a lot :-)
Eonwe Valar (6:03:11 PM): Just real quick, we mean tlaking as in using the
languages of the Free Peoples, correct?
Eonwe Valar (6:03:18 PM): *talking
ArPharazonV (6:03:38 PM): well, yeah... all beasts have a language of their own
TurgonjustTurgon (6:03:59 PM): not only the true Ents
TurgonjustTurgon (6:04:04 PM): remember old man willow
GwaihirValar (6:04:13 PM): he never actually spoke
ArPharazonV (6:04:14 PM): did old man willow talk?
TurgonjustTurgon (6:04:19 PM): he sang
ArPharazonV (6:04:24 PM): no, Tommy sang to him
GwaihirValar (6:04:30 PM): he didn't sing, he basically hummed.
ArPharazonV (6:04:39 PM): did he hum?
Eonwe Valar (6:04:41 PM): Just making sure so I don't restate what we've agreed
to
VardaValar1 (6:04:42 PM): His mouth was full ; )
ArPharazonV (6:04:44 PM): wait, getting the book...
GwaihirValar (6:04:44 PM): heh
GwaihirValar (6:04:56 PM): the Hobbits felt a sound that eased them and made
them feel sleepy, I believe
TurgonjustTurgon (6:04:57 PM): isn't humming part of a language?
GwaihirValar (6:05:05 PM): humming is related to purring or growling
GwaihirValar (6:05:11 PM): it's a sound most animals can make
GwaihirValar (6:05:27 PM): in some form
TurgonjustTurgon (6:05:30 PM): in sleepy notes?
GwaihirValar (6:05:33 PM): well, purring is a bad example
GwaihirValar (6:05:39 PM): only cats can make that sound lol
Elwing V (6:05:41 PM): Not sure of language used by which critter...seems
various persons could understand when needed
TurgonjustTurgon (6:06:02 PM): I'd say that Old Man willow had at least the
crudest basics of speech
VardaValar1 (6:06:05 PM): Hummingbirds, insects?
GwaihirValar (6:06:13 PM): he was an ent that had gone treeish though, I think
TurgonjustTurgon (6:06:22 PM): besides which, with his connections of roots, he
could communicate with the entire Old Forest
VardaValar1 (6:06:23 PM): OMW was very old, probably used speech in the past
ArPharazonV (6:06:25 PM): very treeish
VardaValar1 (6:06:34 PM): He had nothing to say to the hobbits
Elwing V (6:06:40 PM): Hobbit understood spiders; men and elves understood Ent ;
thought all understood eagles; etc
ArPharazonV (6:06:42 PM): or perhaps a tree that had become very very entish
VardaValar1 (6:07:00 PM): Huorn, perhaps
Elwing V (6:07:07 PM): could be my erroneous interpretation
ArPharazonV (6:07:41 PM): if elves and dwarves could understand spiders, we
might have to fit that in the rpg
Eonwe Valar (6:08:11 PM): I admit I haven't read the Hobbit in a while, but I'm
quite sure the Dwarves that could hear the spiders understodd them
VardaValar1 (6:08:19 PM): We discussed it before, Phar, and came up with
changing it to chittering, although in the Hobbit they talk like people
VardaValar1 (6:08:27 PM): The Hobbit had them speaking normally
Eonwe Valar (6:08:39 PM): afk for a few sec
Elwing V (6:08:40 PM): so would that mean they were speaking "common" language?
VardaValar1 (6:08:53 PM): In the rpg we had them speak their own language
sounding like chittering to us
VardaValar1 (6:09:00 PM): Aye, common being Westron
ArPharazonV (6:09:02 PM): oh, right
ArPharazonV (6:09:10 PM): chittering...
VardaValar1 (6:09:24 PM): Doesn't mean the spiders can't speak, but just that
they aren't using common with us
VardaValar1 (6:10:07 PM): I wonder how well Elves understood regular trees
VardaValar1 (6:10:31 PM): Felt their health? Emotions? Something like speech?
Then pushed it towards speech?
Elwing V (6:11:01 PM): I figured they sensed general things more than had actual
conversations, but that is just my opinion
VardaValar1 (6:11:13 PM): Some trees such as a grove at Fangorn could sing
together
VardaValar1 (6:11:46 PM): In most cases, I would think so too. At some time, the
Elves pushed some trees to learn to talk, said Fangorn
VardaValar1 (6:12:17 PM): Do you suppose the elves just stopped working on tree
speech? Too many troubles?
Elwing V (6:12:29 PM): We know Huorns could feel anger!
VardaValar1 (6:12:33 PM): Aye
VardaValar1 (6:12:36 PM): OMW sure did
VardaValar1 (6:12:48 PM): The Huorns could even wrap themselves in a cloaking
darkness
Elwing V (6:13:26 PM): Again (w/tree "speech" ) thing physical properties would
have to come in and trees don't have mouths
Elwing V (6:13:37 PM): "think" oops
VardaValar1 (6:13:58 PM): Maybe the Elves taught them to do a version of
Galadriel's telepathy?
Elwing V (6:14:02 PM): teaching ents would be different
VardaValar1 (6:14:08 PM): True
top

After-meeting:
DaeTPringl (6:14:11 PM): I've been sitting too long in front of the computer.
Namarie everyone.
VardaValar1 (6:14:16 PM): Namarie!
ArPharazonV (6:14:17 PM): Namarie
Arwen V1 (6:14:18 PM): Namarie
(6:14:21 PM) DaeTPringl has left the room.
Arwen V1 (6:14:48 PM): and I too must leave, I have tons and tons of homework
about to crash upon me. o.O must do.. Namarie, friends
ArPharazonV (6:14:58 PM): Namarie as well
GwaihirValar (6:15:01 PM): ahhh! Scary! ;-)
GwaihirValar (6:15:04 PM): farewell! Take care!
VardaValar1 (6:15:05 PM): We know you'll do well with it, Arwen : )
VardaValar1 (6:15:07 PM): Namarie
Arwen V1 (6:15:15 PM): =) thank you!
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VardaValar1 (6:16:44 PM): Did everyone afk to gaming and dinner? : )
ArathornValar (6:16:57 PM): about to go sup..
ArPharazonV (6:16:58 PM): no
GilraenV (6:17:08 PM): I'm still here, just quiet :-)
ArPharazonV (6:17:10 PM): just not finding an opening in the topic where I can
fill in
VardaValar1 (6:17:25 PM): I thought you were the master of jumping in : )
Elwing V (6:17:31 PM): would always just be interested on your thoughts on
matters :-)
ArPharazonV (6:17:50 PM): I'm not too wellknown about this topic
ArPharazonV (6:18:00 PM): I hardly remember the story of Fangorn...
ArPharazonV (6:18:10 PM): darnit, I need to read the books again some time
Elwing V (6:18:15 PM): haven't found much myself which is why I brought up
Elwing V (6:18:30 PM): always curious :-)
VardaValar1 (6:18:41 PM): Sounds good, Phar. I'll bet you come up with article
and story and poem material if you do!
FladrifV (6:18:48 PM): This ent is going to rest
ArPharazonV (6:18:51 PM): poem material? me?
FladrifV (6:18:52 PM): Namarie
GwaihirValar (6:18:53 PM): gnight enty
ArPharazonV (6:18:55 PM): Namarie
VardaValar1 (6:18:57 PM): sure : )
GwaihirValar (6:18:59 PM): sleep well
VardaValar1 (6:18:59 PM): Night
VardaValar1 (6:19:02 PM): Namarie
VardaValar1 (6:19:05 PM): Sun's shining...
FladrifV (6:19:10 PM): Gn to ya all
Elwing V (6:19:10 PM): dont get root bound ")
ArPharazonV (6:19:18 PM): I remember once... I made a poem about the
Silmarillion for school a few years ago
FladrifV (6:19:19 PM): wont get treeish
FladrifV (6:19:20 PM): :-)
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ArPharazonV (6:19:49 PM): was quite simple, and rhyming
ArPharazonV (6:20:18 PM): I wrote it on one of the last nights before the
deadline...
VardaValar1 (6:20:22 PM): Maybe you would enjoy a simple hobbit poem for a
comment
ArPharazonV (6:20:40 PM): if I can find it, I'll bring it up... yeah sure, give
it to us
VardaValar1 (6:20:43 PM): Procrastination, major ingredient of students
VardaValar1 (6:20:52 PM): That would be nice to see
VardaValar1 (6:21:07 PM): If you want to work on it a bit more first, feel free
Elwing V (6:21:10 PM): do some of my best stuff under "deadline" :-)
VardaValar1 (6:21:15 PM): Good point
VardaValar1 (6:21:28 PM): Forces us to get to it : )
ArPharazonV (6:21:29 PM): :-)
Eonwe Valar (6:21:48 PM): back
ArPharazonV (6:21:49 PM): just doesn't give you the time to think it through,
first ;-)
Eonwe Valar (6:21:55 PM): finished reading in catching up :}
VardaValar1 (6:22:07 PM): That makes you have to get at it : )
VardaValar1 (6:22:20 PM): Aiyata, Fionwe : )
ArPharazonV (6:22:24 PM): Aiyata
Eonwe Valar (6:22:29 PM): on deadlines:L so do I :} I've put out plenty of A and
B papers the night before they're due :}
VardaValar1 (6:22:37 PM): We're falling into after-meeting, fell off Tolkien
topic
GwaihirValar (6:22:47 PM): *lands* ow...
VardaValar1 (6:22:48 PM): I have to admit I did too
GwaihirValar (6:22:48 PM): long fall

TurgonjustTurgon (6:22:49 PM): hmmm.... deadlines....
GwaihirValar (6:22:50 PM): even for an Eagle
Eonwe Valar (6:22:55 PM): Hantalye, btw :}
TurgonjustTurgon (6:22:59 PM): I used to push them ahead until next deadline
ArPharazonV (6:23:07 PM): heh
TurgonjustTurgon (6:23:16 PM): twice as few deadlines that way :-D
VardaValar1 (6:23:21 PM): I had another habit of starting way ahead of time,
then really diving in towards the end
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VardaValar1 (6:23:26 PM): hehe Turgon
VardaValar1 (6:23:30 PM): Aiya Thror!
Chugin Chub (6:23:32 PM): hello
ArPharazonV (6:23:51 PM): I remember pushing ahead a few bookreports in the last
year of my highschool...
VardaValar1 (6:24:08 PM): The Tolkien topic was about speech in non-humans in
Middle-earth, Thror
ArPharazonV (6:24:12 PM): I pushed, and pushed, until the year was almost over,
and I had to do 4 at the same time
Eonwe Valar (6:24:14 PM): hmm book reports in High school?
VardaValar1 (6:24:33 PM): We had them in junior high and senior high both
VardaValar1 (6:24:43 PM): A few in Elementary too
Eonwe Valar (6:25:02 PM): Were these part of in-class reading or out-of-class
reading,.. the latter I don
Eonwe Valar (6:25:12 PM): 't think I had in Senior high
ArPharazonV (6:25:15 PM): and I failed at doing them all, and conversed with my
teacher
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VardaValar1 (6:25:39 PM): Since elementary we did in or out of class reading and
did reports. You got away without doing that
ArPharazonV (6:25:39 PM): then, I discovered I lost most of my bookreports of
all 3 years...
ArPharazonV (6:25:57 PM): the ones I had, I brought with me to school to look
over with my teacher
ArPharazonV (6:26:04 PM): when I got home, they were gone
ArPharazonV (6:26:20 PM): and so, my entire bookreport-file disappeared into
nothingness
Eonwe Valar (6:26:48 PM): I remember writing papers/essays and such on books,
but not a book report per se
ArPharazonV (6:26:54 PM): it didn't stop me from passing the rest of my exams,
and I was able to finish high school...
VardaValar1 (6:27:10 PM): ouch Phar
VardaValar1 (6:27:19 PM): We did out and out book reports
ArPharazonV (6:27:25 PM): but my bookreports/essays/whatever, of them nothing is
left
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VardaValar1 (6:27:31 PM): Aiyata
Eonwe Valar (6:27:37 PM): indeed, glad to hear you made it anyway
ArPharazonV (6:28:21 PM): they were dutch bookreports/essays, however
ArPharazonV (6:28:38 PM): my tolkien bookreports are still intact, I think
VardaValar1 (6:28:42 PM): Makes sense when you are in the Netherlands
Elwing V (6:28:50 PM): Heya Gwaihir you should know...how did eagles learn to
talk? Born with it or had to be taught
VardaValar1 (6:28:53 PM): o cool! And you will be sending them when? ; )
Eonwe Valar (6:28:57 PM): based on where you live, that's probably better than
giving your teacher book reports in French :}
VardaValar1 (6:29:05 PM): Aye, Eonwe
ArPharazonV (6:29:05 PM): :-)
ArPharazonV (6:29:15 PM): we had to read French and German books too
TurgonjustTurgon (6:29:25 PM): tell me about it!
ArPharazonV (6:29:25 PM): and we had to make summaries of them in Dutch
TurgonjustTurgon (6:29:30 PM): hated french in school
GwaihirValar (6:29:30 PM): We were naturally able to speak... Manwe taught us to
when he created us ;-)
ArPharazonV (6:29:39 PM): so, of course, most of us got them from the internet
VardaValar1 (6:29:53 PM): *erases comment from mind*
TurgonjustTurgon (6:30:00 PM): and others, like me, didn't read in the first
place
VardaValar1 (6:30:20 PM): *deletes comment from mind*
VardaValar1 (6:30:31 PM): Will not witness against buddies
Eonwe Valar (6:30:36 PM): tsk tsk
ArPharazonV (6:30:39 PM): my most difficult achievement was translating a french
bookreport from the internet, from a French book which I had and was recommended
for this period, into Dutch, and giving that to my teacher ;-)
ArPharazonV (6:31:13 PM): I never got beyond page 10 or so in the book itself
;-)
Elwing V (6:31:15 PM): so you sort of did write it but still sneaky
VardaValar1 (6:31:19 PM): Guess we don't have to throw these guys out for what
they did before the Guild?
VardaValar1 (6:31:42 PM): I just liked to read
ArPharazonV (6:31:48 PM): in French?
Eonwe Valar (6:31:52 PM): Might need to call the Council together for that one,
Varda :}
VardaValar1 (6:32:00 PM): I read in Latin and German, not French
Elwing V (6:32:03 PM): can't hold past against them (much :-) ) if turned a new
leaf
VardaValar1 (6:32:06 PM): hehe Eonwe
ArPharazonV (6:32:19 PM): Latin, nice... can you read Greek as well?
VardaValar1 (6:32:30 PM): It's Greek to me
VardaValar1 (6:32:43 PM): I have to ask my brother, Meriadoc, to handle Hebrew
Elwing V (6:32:44 PM): Most languages are greek to me :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (6:32:51 PM): I had 2 years of latin course in school
ArPharazonV (6:32:55 PM): ever read the Iliad or the Odyssee in original Greek?
VardaValar1 (6:33:17 PM): I can't read Greek but I have the Odyssey
VardaValar1 (6:33:32 PM): Some translations have the Greek on one side and
English on other
ArPharazonV (6:33:37 PM): I have the Iliad in Dutch, and have read it, but never
in Greek
VardaValar1 (6:33:50 PM): I didn't take Greek, so nope
Eonwe Valar (6:33:52 PM): lucky you,.. they didn't have Latin at my high school
Elwing V (6:34:03 PM): it would be nice to know other languages for poetry but
most reg writing ok if translated
ArPharazonV (6:34:08 PM): No, wait, I had the Iliad in Dutch... I gave it back
to Fladrif
VardaValar1 (6:34:12 PM): I enjoyed Latin. And got heavily into mythology at
that time
ArPharazonV (6:34:14 PM): had borrowed it from him
ArPharazonV (6:34:50 PM): I would want to read Icelandic/ish just to read
Tolkien in it...
VardaValar1 (6:34:51 PM): If you want to do your poems and stories in Quenya,
Sindarin, or Khuzdul, go ahead, but please provide translations
VardaValar1 (6:35:21 PM): LotR in Finnish is available : )
VardaValar1 (6:36:22 PM): I need to go install WC3
ArPharazonV (6:36:27 PM): ok
VardaValar1 (6:36:31 PM): Can try to do it in the background and scroll
VardaValar1 (6:36:53 PM): By the way, we are definitely in After-meeting : )
ArPharazonV (6:36:58 PM): I think I'll go watch the replay... I was Sam, so
couldn't really follow the hobbits, Aragorn, and the others, from Amon Hen to
the end
VardaValar1 (6:37:17 PM): How will you make the replay available?
ArPharazonV (6:37:37 PM): I don't know yet, I could send it through AIM if
anybody wants it, along with the map
VardaValar1 (6:38:15 PM): Now fighting comp reinstall
ArPharazonV (6:38:28 PM): besides, the next patch is coming soon, so the replay
probably isn't viewable anymore from that time
Eonwe Valar (6:38:49 PM): Remember that it's not a battle you want to take a
sword to, Varda :}
Eonwe Valar (6:39:18 PM): There is a way to watch older replays, if anyoen
really wants to go through the work
ArPharazonV (6:39:25 PM): wise words from somebody who led the armed force of
the Valar
ArPharazonV (6:39:43 PM): right, install different versions, download patches
from the net, etc
ArPharazonV (6:40:40 PM): I might do that, even if just for this replay...
Eonwe Valar (6:40:47 PM): well, fighting evil is a battle you want to take a
sword to,.. dealing with computers however,.. :}
Eonwe Valar (6:41:01 PM): let's just say it could creatre bigger problems :}
Elwing V (6:41:05 PM): take a sledgehammer to those
Eonwe Valar (6:41:36 PM): hehe
Elwing V (6:42:26 PM): maybe a dwarf axe (talk about your "split screen")
TurgonjustTurgon (6:43:03 PM): referring to Blizzards old tools in D1?
TurgonjustTurgon (6:43:08 PM): netsplit and such? :-)
ArPharazonV (6:43:31 PM): just splitscreens in multiplayer games
ArPharazonV (6:43:41 PM): with multiple people at one pc or console
Elwing V (6:43:48 PM): viewing 2 things at once on screen (in games or other)
ArPharazonV (6:43:53 PM): where the screen was split for each player
Elwing V (6:44:26 PM): actually thinking of program for work ...often want to
destroy comp then :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (6:44:30 PM): I know :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (6:44:37 PM): heh
TurgonjustTurgon (6:44:49 PM): I used a sledgehammer on my old comp for a long
long time
TurgonjustTurgon (6:44:57 PM): usually did the trick
TurgonjustTurgon (6:45:13 PM): of course, int the end, it only resulted in my
proc AND mainboard fried
Elwing V (6:45:22 PM): keeps telling me "illegal operation" when I've tried
something like PRINT (when did THAT become illegal!?!) :-)
ArPharazonV (6:46:26 PM): heh
Eonwe Valar (6:47:18 PM): They won't let me tell you. And don't ask who "they"
are, because they wouldn't like that either :}
Eonwe Valar (6:47:36 PM): pardon, was on another screen :}
ArPharazonV (6:47:39 PM): oooh, secret
Eonwe Valar (6:47:50 PM): so if it was a delay for that response, there's the
reason :}
Elwing V (6:48:36 PM): Sounds like it works for my question... :-)
Elwing V (6:48:57 PM): So you're holding out info on us ehhh
ArPharazonV (6:49:11 PM): bad bad Eonwe....
VardaValar1 (6:49:12 PM): *pulls Sting out of comp* Not even the little blade,
Eonwe?
ArPharazonV (6:49:40 PM): ah, Sting... I carried that around the final part of
the map
Eonwe Valar (6:49:52 PM): well, if it improves your computer's performace,.. :}
Elwing V (6:49:54 PM): Evil imposter...what have you done with real Eonwe
ArPharazonV (6:50:07 PM): Frodo dropped all his items when he got 'killed' by
Shelob
ArPharazonV (6:50:17 PM): so I took the ring, Sting, and the Mithril
VardaValar1 (6:50:27 PM): That's why Sauron-V could give me Sting!
ArPharazonV (6:50:47 PM): after saving him, I gave back the ring and the
mithril... Sting I was allowed to keep
VardaValar1 (6:50:59 PM): You left him unarmed?
Elwing V (6:51:02 PM): I think we're in AU now :-)
ArPharazonV (6:51:04 PM): our only enemy at that point was Gollum :-)
VardaValar1 (6:51:15 PM): Alternate Universe, too true
ArPharazonV (6:51:35 PM): he was the creator of that map, so he knew what was
coming, and said it was ok if I kept it
Eonwe Valar (6:52:47 PM): sp,.. Gollum was giving Sam permission? :}
Eonwe Valar (6:52:57 PM): sp=so
ArPharazonV (6:52:59 PM): no, Frodo did
ArPharazonV (6:53:04 PM): Frodo gave me permission
ArPharazonV (6:53:13 PM): Frodo was played by the creator of the map
Eonwe Valar (6:53:22 PM): ah I see
VardaValar1 (6:53:38 PM): Still downloading update
ArPharazonV (6:53:59 PM): next time I'm another character... I never even got to
see Isengard, Helm's Deep, the Paths of the Dead, or Minas Tirith....
VardaValar1 (6:54:01 PM): Forgot my name...
Elwing V (6:54:08 PM): starting to get "comp" eyes (rest of world is
fuzzy...ohno) - think I shall say my namaries and drift off...
Eonwe Valar (6:54:13 PM): your name is Varda :}
VardaValar1 (6:54:22 PM): It's all that dawn light, Elwing
VardaValar1 (6:54:31 PM): o good
Eonwe Valar (6:54:33 PM): sleep well Elwing :} take care :}
Elwing V (6:54:39 PM): try not to look into the sun but can't help...
VardaValar1 (6:54:41 PM): WC3 name Varda-Valar I think
ArPharazonV (6:54:44 PM): Namarie, Elwing, good night
VardaValar1 (6:54:53 PM): Arien is an eye catcher
Elwing V (6:54:56 PM): Take care all
Eonwe Valar (6:55:02 PM): Exactly, Varda-Valar
VardaValar1 (6:55:11 PM): Funny, I still see you by me at the next comp : )
VardaValar1 (6:55:13 PM): Cheers
Eonwe Valar (6:55:22 PM): you're still on the list so you should still have your
tag
VardaValar1 (6:55:32 PM): Didn't last time, interesting
VardaValar1 (6:55:38 PM): 78% dl
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Eonwe Valar (6:57:02 PM): So, MEO Rp: comments?
ArPharazonV (6:57:45 PM): uhm... no... except I'm going to do my next piece
sometime along tomorrow... about time
ArPharazonV (6:57:56 PM): oh, wait... I think something needed explaining
VardaValar1 (6:58:00 PM): opening Netscape to look at it
ArPharazonV (6:59:19 PM): oh, right
ArPharazonV (6:59:29 PM): the plan... I'm a little confused about it
Eonwe Valar (6:59:29 PM): what was it?
ArPharazonV (6:59:35 PM): is it working now, or not?
Eonwe Valar (6:59:39 PM): No :}
ArPharazonV (6:59:49 PM): it was to get those spiders away from the side we're
escaping, right?
Eonwe Valar (6:59:57 PM): yes
ArPharazonV (7:00:03 PM): and.. they are still there?
ArPharazonV (7:00:24 PM): even though we set the sides of the path on fire?
(which I actually still have to do ;-))
ArPharazonV (7:00:58 PM): so if we ride, we should expect severe resistance?
Eonwe Valar (7:01:11 PM): Well, the spiders Haran and I were attacking aren't
fighting back like they should be
Eonwe Valar (7:01:59 PM): We should be expecting the spiders to try pusing us in
the direction they want us to go. I gave the order to ride anythign down that
came in our way due to this.
Eonwe Valar (7:02:06 PM): *pushin
Eonwe Valar (7:02:07 PM): g
ArPharazonV (7:02:28 PM): so, we ride east, and the spiders are trying to push
us to the north?
Eonwe Valar (7:02:40 PM): to quote the title of an old movie: "Something WIcked
This Way Comes."
Eonwe Valar (7:02:58 PM): Yes, along the path
ArPharazonV (7:03:10 PM): and the eviller thing comes from the north?
Eonwe Valar (7:03:27 PM): yes, where the spiders have been trying to direct us
the whole time
ArPharazonV (7:04:21 PM): so we have an evil thing in the north, spiders from
the south, and we riding east
ArPharazonV (7:04:51 PM): so, the spiders should be trying to take the road from
the southside
Eonwe Valar (7:04:52 PM): well, spiders on all sides
Eonwe Valar (7:04:53 PM): slmewhat lighter in the Northern direction as that is
where they wanted us to go
ArPharazonV (7:05:21 PM): so most resistance will come from the southern
'side'/'half' of the road
Eonwe Valar (7:05:30 PM): yes
ArPharazonV (7:05:35 PM): ok, good to know
ArPharazonV (7:05:49 PM): and at this point... we ride?
Eonwe Valar (7:06:01 PM): or that's what we expect based on our calculations
during previous battles
ArPharazonV (7:06:03 PM): trying to get to the river before the evil thing
overtakes us?
ArPharazonV (7:06:18 PM): man, what a lag here..
Eonwe Valar (7:06:43 PM): yes, we do ride, as hard as we can,.. and fortunately
dawn shouldn't be too far off
Eonwe Valar (7:07:00 PM): part of the lag may be on my part, trying to read,
think and respond :}
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ArPharazonV (7:07:28 PM): no, I mean between pushing enter/hearing the sound,
and the actual appearance in the channel
Eonwe Valar (7:07:56 PM): ah
GwaihirValar (7:08:18 PM): dinnertime, I've gotta go...
Eonwe Valar (7:08:20 PM): I had that a couple of minutes ago,.. seems like I'm
good right now
GwaihirValar (7:08:20 PM): take care
Eonwe Valar (7:08:27 PM): take care and enjoy Gwaihir :]
Eonwe Valar (7:08:33 PM): say heya to Luthien and Eomer :}
ArPharazonV (7:08:34 PM): perhaps it could be the replay, in war3, playing as
well...
ArPharazonV (7:08:38 PM): Namarie
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Eonwe Valar (7:09:38 PM): I think I need to make it clearer in my post that I'm
talking to everyone on the last part, not just Estarion
ArPharazonV (7:10:04 PM): and offered a hand to Estarion. "An evil comes that we
have no time or strength to deal with, especially while it has an army at its command.
We must ride swiftly. If any creature crosses our path, ride it down. Go! Now!"
Eonwe Valar (7:10:31 PM): done :}
ArPharazonV (7:10:37 PM): well, the Go! Now! implies you're talking to the entire group
GilraenV (7:10:50 PM): I'm going to go sleep now... Namarie, all
ArPharazonV (7:10:58 PM): as he spoke to all
ArPharazonV (7:10:58 PM): Namarie
Eonwe Valar (7:11:02 PM): sleep well Gilraen :}
ArPharazonV (7:11:17 PM): night
Eonwe Valar (7:11:18 PM): good, I'm glad it's clear :}
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ArPharazonV (7:11:38 PM): yes
ArPharazonV (7:12:01 PM): tomorrow, I light the webs on fire, get on the horse, and ride
into the sun...rise
ArPharazonV (7:12:37 PM): quite a tricky business, as Helvy is still lying on it as well
ArPharazonV (7:12:53 PM): and I'm still lagging
Eonwe Valar (7:13:42 PM): Just make sure he's laying across your lap
Eonwe Valar (7:13:49 PM): or in front of you
Eonwe Valar (7:14:10 PM): unless of course you have him strapped on as tight as your bags :}
VardaValar1 (7:14:21 PM): back
VardaValar1 (7:14:22 PM): WC3 channel did ok
Eonwe Valar (7:14:26 PM): WB :}
Eonwe Valar (7:14:42 PM): er, Aiyata :}
VardaValar1 (7:14:43 PM): and looks as if Estarion just saddled Auros with more responsibilties : )
ArPharazonV (7:14:56 PM): I think I'll have him lie on my map
ArPharazonV (7:14:56 PM): Aiyata
ArPharazonV (7:14:56 PM): darn lag
VardaValar1 (7:15:10 PM): Think we stuck you as main character, Auros : )
ArPharazonV (7:15:10 PM): ok, I turned off tft...
VardaValar1 (7:15:10 PM): Thanks
ArPharazonV (7:15:25 PM): and voila, no more lag
VardaValar1 (7:15:58 PM): So my character is already riding with Haran, should stop typing and
let everyone else get into the gallop too?
Eonwe Valar (7:16:07 PM): Indeed :} I'm working on a proper response from Auros :}
ArPharazonV (7:16:35 PM): I'll make mine tomorrow, as I said... write anything you like, I don't
mind adapting any plans I already have... there are few :-)
Eonwe Valar (7:17:19 PM): ew that was terrible lag
Eonwe Valar (7:17:19 PM): You're riding? got the impression you were stopped to wait
VardaValar1 (7:19:05 PM): doesn't actually say I'm moving
VardaValar1 (7:19:31 PM): Got Haran aboard, said "Let's go!", shot arrows, sang
Eonwe Valar (7:19:45 PM): I was also curious about the flash
VardaValar1 (7:19:53 PM): see moss piles flaring up
VardaValar1 (7:20:12 PM): flash?
Eonwe Valar (7:20:20 PM): concerning Haran's blindness
ArPharazonV (7:20:43 PM): I don't recall a flash in his post...
VardaValar1 (7:20:46 PM): blinded by potency of force, doesn't say light
Eonwe Valar (7:20:49 PM): As I understood it, haran's blindness was cuased by the potency of
the sensation he felt from the earth
Eonwe Valar (7:21:08 PM): You then say "What had that flash been?" so didn't know if you had
felt it too or what :}
ArPharazonV (7:21:08 PM): Abruptly, he felt a surge of power from their escape route.
Such force! He had always been most in tune with the land, more than any of his brethren.
ArPharazonV (7:21:15 PM): This sudden blast of unworldly energy brought him to one knee and
as he looked up to attempt to identify the source he was blinded by its potency.
ArPharazonV (7:21:36 PM): a powersurge, not a flash
Eonwe Valar (7:21:38 PM): You being Faiana, and saying being her thoughts
Eonwe Valar (7:21:51 PM): *Fainan,.. I'm typing too fast for my own good again :}
VardaValar1 (7:22:00 PM): How about "flash of power"?
VardaValar1 (7:22:07 PM): I see it
VardaValar1 (7:22:12 PM): modifying
ArPharazonV (7:22:14 PM): sounds like a good name, Faiana
Eonwe Valar (7:22:24 PM): Ok, so you felt it too?
ArPharazonV (7:22:32 PM): but perhaps blast of power would be better
VardaValar1 (7:22:36 PM): I think so too :-)
VardaValar1 (7:22:37 PM): hmm, guess I should not?
VardaValar1 (7:22:46 PM): it's messing with my forest
Eonwe Valar (7:23:05 PM): Well, we all may have felt the approach in a different manner
VardaValar1 (7:23:26 PM): If you like, I'll change to not feeling it
Eonwe Valar (7:23:30 PM): I flet the approach the the great malice I felt earlier
ArPharazonV (7:23:31 PM): right, but if it's a flash, I think all of us would have percieved it
that way
ArPharazonV (7:23:39 PM): and lagging again
VardaValar1 (7:24:03 PM): It is probably just what Haran felt in the ground. It's not a light
Eonwe Valar (7:24:28 PM): Flash, seemingly by itself, tends to imply light to me is all :}
Eonwe Valar (7:25:19 PM): qualifying flash would paint a different picture, i.e. flash of power
 or such
VardaValar1 (7:25:21 PM): His eyes burned as if old sol had presented itself
VardaValar1 (7:25:21 PM): sol is sun, so I thought light
ArPharazonV (7:25:25 PM): Eonwe felt something, Haran felt something, I don't think we should not
feel anything
VardaValar1 (7:28:09 PM): Eh, I just deleted the sentence. Had thought to change to burst of power
 instead of flash of power
VardaValar1 (7:28:09 PM): Not saying I did or did not feel it
VardaValar1 (7:28:09 PM): Don't know what it was
VardaValar1 (7:28:09 PM): Bad lag here too
(7:30:07 PM) Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV (7:31:32 PM): so...
ArPharazonV (7:31:44 PM): that's it?
ArPharazonV (7:32:29 PM): discussion's over?
(7:32:44 PM) Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (7:32:50 PM): Aiyata
Eonwe Valar (7:34:47 PM): Hantal
Eonwe Valar (7:34:47 PM): What was the last thing I said?
Eonwe Valar (7:34:48 PM): In the Middle of the Earth in a land called the Shire lives a brave
little Hobbit whom we all admire
ArPharazonV (7:35:15 PM): Bilbo? Frodo? Sam?
Eonwe Valar (7:35:16 PM): lol didn't think I was getting through so started singing "The Balaad
of Bilbo Baggins" :}
Eonwe Valar (7:35:23 PM): *Ballad
ArPharazonV (7:35:27 PM): Merry? Pippin? Rose?
ArPharazonV (7:35:28 PM): ah, Bilbo
Eonwe Valar (7:35:59 PM): So what was the last thing I said before I disappeared,.. want to see
where I should pick up :}
ArPharazonV (7:36:20 PM): Eonwe Valar (1:26:21): qualifying flash would paint a different picture,
i.e. flash of power or such
Eonwe Valar (7:36:35 PM): Ah ok
Eonwe Valar (7:38:01 PM): I wouldn't say we all had to have felt "it", assuming that it is the
same for all of us, but it may have different aspects sensed by more than just Haran
ArPharazonV (7:38:20 PM): some sort of presence... a rustling in the trees...
ArPharazonV (7:38:33 PM): a very vague sound I start to pick up
Eonwe Valar (7:38:57 PM): Haran felt the torture of the land; I felt a great evil/malice/presence/darkness,
however one wants to describe it :}
ArPharazonV (7:39:32 PM): unrest in the local wildlife, not meaning the spiders
VardaValar1 (7:39:43 PM): Leonard Nimoy's Ballad : )
ArPharazonV (7:39:55 PM): I'll think of something...
VardaValar1 (7:40:07 PM): I'm just a young archer, in tune with the forest of home, no big time wise one
Eonwe Valar (7:40:16 PM): Before I left, I made a light joke saying "Well it depends on how in tune you
are with the forest as to whether you'd sense it; you're mostly in Thranduil's court, so,.. :}
VardaValar1 (7:40:27 PM): If the ground hurts, it seems it would affect the trees
VardaValar1 (7:40:40 PM): Calion's in the court, I'm not
Eonwe Valar (7:40:52 PM): the "your" was about Calion :}
Eonwe Valar (7:40:59 PM): *you're
VardaValar1 (7:41:08 PM): okies
ArPharazonV (7:41:19 PM): well, I have my home in the forest
ArPharazonV (7:41:19 PM): as explained in the first post
ArPharazonV (7:41:20 PM): darn lag
Eonwe Valar (7:41:24 PM): and "left" should be "kicked out" or "thrust from the Channel" :}
Eonwe Valar (7:42:41 PM): As I said, it was a light joke :} But I suppose we should think
about this a bit too,.. if we're all going to sense the same thing, even if it's in different
ways, does that devalue any character?
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ArPharazonV (7:43:18 PM): Aiya
mordacil (7:43:32 PM): aiya
Eonwe Valar (7:43:35 PM): I guess it really doesn't matter in that sense
ArPharazonV (7:43:47 PM): I'd say it only devalues any character who doesn't sense it at all
Eonwe Valar (7:44:06 PM): well, it would depend on the intensity as well
Eonwe Valar (7:44:34 PM): differeing abilities may allow for some to sense it before others
across greater distances
ArPharazonV (7:44:42 PM): if we all sense it in a different way, can we really compare the
intensity?
mordacil (7:44:56 PM): sorry i missed the last meeting and this one
Eonwe Valar (7:45:08 PM): for example, Haran's notice of the torture of the ground,
mentioned shortly after he ends his song
ArPharazonV (7:45:48 PM): that was from the first spiders, wasn't it?
Eonwe Valar (7:45:54 PM): my point is that something can "afflict" things in an aspect
not readily sensible to everyone, or anyone for that manner
Eonwe Valar (7:46:20 PM): that's what I thought Phar, but in the interest of a greater
tale, I begin to wonder :}
Eonwe Valar (7:46:55 PM): manner= matter
Eonwe Valar (7:48:35 PM): hmm everyone still here?
ArPharazonV (7:49:07 PM): yep
ArPharazonV (7:49:07 PM): lagging, though
ArPharazonV (7:49:08 PM): I don't know why...
Eonwe Valar (7:49:12 PM): ok
Eonwe Valar (7:50:03 PM): I do agree though that in one respect, if in a small party,
all but one senses something, it does make that last person look bad
ArPharazonV (7:50:39 PM): I would like to reopen AIM, but that would take away my ability
to make the transcript
ArPharazonV (7:50:45 PM): but I'M late anyway, so that won't matter, won't it?
ArPharazonV (7:51:01 PM): there's bound to be somebody else with a transcript? Varda,
for instance?
Eonwe Valar (7:51:17 PM): Was going to save transcript, then remembered that'll do no
good for me
ArPharazonV (7:52:37 PM): ok then... I guess it's up to Arathorn, Varda, Turgon, Grimbold, etc
(7:52:42 PM) ArPharazonV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar (7:52:43 PM): if you've got most of it, go ahead and save Phar
Eonwe Valar (7:52:48 PM): or that :]
(7:53:19 PM) ArPharazonV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (7:53:34 PM): back
ArPharazonV (7:53:44 PM): first impression: no lag
Eonwe Valar (7:54:02 PM): good first impression :}
ArPharazonV (7:54:43 PM): hmm... I'd say the... hey... did you just move up in the list?
Eonwe Valar (7:55:12 PM): when you left probably
ArPharazonV (7:55:57 PM): pryes, but now you're in fourth place again, before Varda,
MJKeenan, and Chugin Chub
Eonwe Valar (7:56:02 PM): Actually, it may make the person not sensing it more interesting
 as they are that much more unique :} a Sam figure as it were
ArPharazonV (7:56:10 PM): *probably yes.. eating my words
Eonwe Valar (7:56:16 PM): hehe
ArPharazonV (7:56:44 PM): heh
ArPharazonV (7:56:46 PM): the gardener
Eonwe Valar (7:56:53 PM): depends on the race though,.. There are somethings that are
just natural to an entire people
Eonwe Valar (7:57:14 PM): even if the degree varies
ArPharazonV (7:57:36 PM): another scene taking from the movie (perhaps also the book)
into the map... '...His bodyguard?' 'No, his gardener.'
Eonwe Valar (7:58:16 PM): For example, any Noldor could potentially sense the things Auros
does, some quite likely alot better than he does, if Auros would admit it :}
Eonwe Valar (7:58:27 PM): That's from the movie
Eonwe Valar (7:58:40 PM): funny, but not still from the movie :}
ArPharazonV (7:59:02 PM): :-)
Eonwe Valar (7:59:11 PM): er, still fro mthe movie :}
ArPharazonV (8:00:47 PM): *taken, btw
Eonwe Valar (8:00:51 PM): So, a Mirkwood Elf feeling sensing something like that in any
degree typically would imply all Mirkwood Elves could, unless of course the Mirkwood Elf
sensing it were descended from a Sinda as well as a Silvan Elf,..
ArPharazonV (8:01:00 PM): and still lagging... perhaps next time will be better
Eonwe Valar (8:01:15 PM): hehe gl
Eonwe Valar (8:02:11 PM): So what do you think Eonwë?
ArPharazonV (8:02:14 PM): hmm... my lineage, good question
ArPharazonV (8:02:14 PM): I've already established I was a normal soldier in the battle of
the five armies
Eonwe Valar (8:02:21 PM): Yeah, that's probably right Eonwë.
ArPharazonV (8:02:36 PM): yet I got promoted pretty fast in those years.... blood connections?
ArPharazonV (8:03:08 PM): perhaps I'm the xth cousin x times removed from Legolas or something....
Eonwe Valar (8:04:06 PM): hmm, that's what I get for saying that was low on my list of annoyances
 on the MEO forum :}
ArPharazonV (8:04:33 PM): what?
Eonwe Valar (8:04:37 PM): "that" being a famous heroes cousin x times removed :}
Eonwe Valar (8:04:43 PM): *hero's
ArPharazonV (8:04:45 PM): oh, right
ArPharazonV (8:04:55 PM): well, I could be one of many ;-)
Eonwe Valar (8:05:22 PM): chances are if you were a common soldier you would not be related
 to Legolas
ArPharazonV (8:05:31 PM): btw
ArPharazonV (8:05:32 PM): how does that work in English, anyway?
ArPharazonV (8:05:53 PM): what exactly means 'the 3d cousin twice removed' and stuff like that?
ArPharazonV (8:06:15 PM): we use different terms in Dutch, and I always wondered how it
worked in English
Eonwe Valar (8:06:16 PM): well, from what I understand,..
Eonwe Valar (8:06:58 PM): that means that they're not related by bloodlines but more by marriage
Eonwe Valar (8:07:08 PM): but I don't claim to understand it very well :}
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ArPharazonV (8:07:32 PM): who would I speak to in the guild for that?
ArPharazonV (8:07:45 PM): and so we lose Varda....
ArPharazonV (8:08:10 PM): I guess Turgon should be the one to transcript this
Eonwe Valar (8:08:10 PM): Anyone who does extensive research into genealogy
ArPharazonV (8:08:10 PM): or perhaps one of us could do this final part
Eonwe Valar (8:09:02 PM): Arathorn's still got his second account here
ArPharazonV (8:09:02 PM): could be
mikenowo (8:09:47 PM): I have it all saved... that's what mikenowo acct is for :-) ... trying
to catch up on discussion ..
Eonwe Valar (8:10:09 PM): Eru made the line of Kings tree we have, but I don't know how much
he actually knows about genealogy
Eonwe Valar (8:10:27 PM): Go Arathorn go :}
Eonwe Valar (8:10:27 PM): and good luck :}
mikenowo (8:10:44 PM): ok, up to speed..
Eonwe Valar (8:10:50 PM): comments?
ArPharazonV (8:10:55 PM): that was fast...
mikenowo (8:11:02 PM): The blinding was due to power not light
mikenowo (8:11:14 PM): I guess the old sol reference was confusing
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mikenowo (8:11:37 PM): But a flash blinding the mind moreso
Eonwe Valar (8:11:50 PM): that's what I had thought
Eonwe Valar (8:12:29 PM): probably helped I wasn't thinking sol as in sun but assumed it
was something else :}
mikenowo (8:12:44 PM): and, vision is back as it was just the pain of thought that clouded
it, not actual physical detriment
ArPharazonV (8:13:23 PM): but only vague flashes of battle, right?
mikenowo (8:13:26 PM): As to WHAT caused it... well, that remains to be seen ... as even
I don't know at this point :-D
mikenowo (8:14:08 PM): Flashes of battle, Ar? What do you mean exactly?
ArPharazonV (8:14:36 PM): As vision returned, he assessed the situation which seemed grim
at best. Flashes of steel and whizzing of arrows kept his hearing in tune, but the rest
was a blur. Voices of his party rang out as he tried to decipher their meaning.
ArPharazonV (8:14:55 PM): Flashes of steel
ArPharazonV (8:15:02 PM): the rest was a blur
ArPharazonV (8:15:27 PM): or does that 'blur' have to do with the sound?
mikenowo (8:17:49 PM): Hmm, I think I meant that since he was just regaining his vision
the action of swords, arrows, knives etc. was taking a while for him to focus back in on.
mikenowo (8:18:23 PM): At which point Fainan scooped him up :-)
ArPharazonV (8:18:28 PM): ah, ok
ArPharazonV (8:18:28 PM): so you're vision is back to normal?
mikenowo (8:19:18 PM): Almost, let's say. Basically just wanted to stress how disruptive
the 'force' could be on his faculties.
mikenowo (8:20:01 PM): Well, I'm off to see if Grimbold is ready for some D2ing.. I
Eonwe Valar (8:20:09 PM): aw,.. ok hf:}
mikenowo (8:20:17 PM): ll leave this acct up for any other discussion that may follow.
Eonwe Valar (8:20:34 PM): I dare say its dead unless anyone else has something to add :}
ArPharazonV (8:21:07 PM): hf
ArPharazonV (8:21:07 PM): and I'm lagging even more now
ArPharazonV (8:21:42 PM): anyway, I've got nothing to add
ArPharazonV (8:22:15 PM): seems Ara will save the transcript, so I won't have to take
care of that....
Eonwe Valar (8:24:40 PM): Time for me to head out then. I have things to take care of
for my first day of classes tomorrow
Eonwe Valar (8:24:47 PM): it's been fun :}
ArPharazonV (8:24:54 PM): indeed
ArPharazonV (8:24:57 PM): ok, namarie
Eonwe Valar (8:25:00 PM): take care :}
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ArPharazonV (8:25:19 PM): I'm outta here as well... Namarie guys, I'm going to watch my transcript
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