April 25, 2004 Meeting
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST, 22:00 GMT
Celebrimbor, new member
Arien-TV, changed name from Idril-TV to avoid confusion with Idril-V
WC3 - trying to get 10 members into Westfall at the same time during meeting.
If Frodo (or even Samwise) used the ring and ordered the ringwraiths to jump into the fires of doom would they be vanquished?
(4:31:26 PM) ArPharazonV has entered the room.
(4:38:34 PM) Orodreth V has entered the room.
Orodreth V (4:39:50 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:40:02 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:40:11 PM): seems a tiny bit laggy
ArPharazonV (4:40:15 PM): sometimes...
ArPharazonV (4:41:42 PM): so... 13 minutes to have 10 people arriving
ArPharazonV (4:41:44 PM): is possible
ArPharazonV (4:41:54 PM): brb
ArPharazonV (4:43:43 PM): back
(4:51:57 PM) V Idril V has entered the room.
V Idril V (4:52:04 PM): aiya
ArPharazonV (4:52:13 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:52:31 PM): as you can see, the meeting is well underway
(4:52:41 PM) ArathornValar has entered the room.
(4:53:00 PM) Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:53:37 PM): Aiya Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:53:46 PM): or, if you like... Aiyaiya
Eonwe Valar (4:54:00 PM): Heya will suffice :}
ArPharazonV (4:54:16 PM): well, yes, but I'm welcoming two of you
Eonwe Valar (4:54:26 PM): ah ok :}
ArathornValar (4:54:32 PM): Heyaiya!
ArathornValar (4:54:41 PM): (how's that?)
Eonwe Valar (4:54:44 PM): Haiya! :}
ArathornValar (4:54:57 PM): Hey... yeah?
ArPharazonV (4:55:03 PM): Heyaiyaiya
ArPharazonV (4:55:10 PM): that's for 3
Eonwe Valar (4:55:16 PM): Aiyahe :}
ArathornValar (4:55:30 PM): Bless you..
ArPharazonV (4:55:33 PM): Aiyehayeia
(4:56:07 PM) MrMonkey2002Blah has entered the room.
MrMonkey2002Blah (4:56:13 PM): Hail
ArPharazonV (4:56:16 PM): Aiya
ArathornValar (4:56:20 PM): AIya
ArPharazonV (4:56:21 PM): new member? or just new name?
MrMonkey2002Blah (4:56:29 PM): old screen nam
MrMonkey2002Blah (4:56:29 PM): e
Eonwe Valar (4:56:33 PM): Heya,.. don't recognize the screen name :}
MrMonkey2002Blah (4:56:36 PM): allow me to change suits
(4:56:38 PM) MrMonkey2002Blah has left the room.
ArPharazonV (4:56:50 PM): well, at least I have a 53 in my valar list now
(4:56:55 PM) Bomburv has entered the room.
(4:56:56 PM) FallenGlory has entered the room.
Bomburv (4:57:02 PM): Im back
Eonwe Valar (4:57:06 PM): ok that was bad timing :}
ArPharazonV (4:57:09 PM): Aiyataiya
Eonwe Valar (4:57:09 PM): that helps :}
Eonwe Valar (4:57:21 PM): wb Bombur and heya FallenGLory :}
Bomburv (4:57:26 PM): so uh any news on the westfall guild?
FallenGlory (4:57:37 PM): hey
Eonwe Valar (4:57:42 PM): Fallen= Maglor?
ArPharazonV (4:57:43 PM): I'm starting ft now... are we gathering to get 10
FallenGlory (4:57:51 PM): Olwe
FallenGlory (4:57:52 PM): lol
Eonwe Valar (4:57:53 PM): if we can manage it
Bomburv (4:57:54 PM): im good to go
(4:58:02 PM) HuanofValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:58:03 PM): Olwe, yes... had it in buddy comments
Eonwe Valar (4:58:09 PM): sorry :} Don't remember all ther psuedonyms
some people have :}
ArPharazonV (4:58:15 PM): so, bombur is monkey from 2 years ago?
Bomburv (4:58:19 PM): yeah
Bomburv (4:58:25 PM): my first aim acct
Eonwe Valar (4:58:41 PM): heya Huan
ArPharazonV (4:58:44 PM): still on my first and only name .)
ArPharazonV (4:58:46 PM):
ArPharazonV (4:59:33 PM): Although I'm thinking of changing to Tar-Calion
when/if (hopefully when) I promote to Maia or Vala... full name changing
not necessary right?
ArPharazonV (5:00:26 PM): although Mandos is available... always liked that
Eonwe Valar (5:00:28 PM): Well, it's been necessary in the past, but I think
that's going to the wayside as a tradition rather than a requirement
Eonwe Valar (5:00:56 PM): I'm hoping the requirement holdds a bit stronger
for Vala honor :}
ArPharazonV (5:01:42 PM): well, I could ask you to reserve Mandos... but
that's a little overconfident for a relatively new member like myself
Eonwe Valar (5:01:54 PM): Well, I guess we can begin the meeting,.. let me
throw some notes together real quick
Eonwe Valar (5:02:22 PM): Hehe, especially since we don't reserve names :}
ArPharazonV (5:02:48 PM): but just asking would be a little sign of
overconfidence, so I won't
Eonwe Valar (5:04:59 PM): ok let us begin
Eonwe Valar (5:05:16 PM): Elen sila lumenn omentielmo.
Eonwe Valar (5:05:35 PM): membership news:
(5:05:41 PM) ThorondorV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (5:05:48 PM): -tielmo?
ArPharazonV (5:05:55 PM): ain't it -tielvo?
ThorondorV (5:05:55 PM): Heya, had some problems with the Internet
Eonwe Valar (5:06:10 PM): Actually, it's also omentilmo :}
ArPharazonV (5:06:27 PM): oh, ok never mind then
Eonwe Valar (5:06:42 PM): Different versions in different editions,.. we can
call it a dialect thing :}
Eonwe Valar (5:07:23 PM): We have a new member this week: Celebrimbor
Eonwe Valar (5:08:21 PM): Too bad he's not here to tell a little bit about
ArathornValar (5:08:22 PM): known as "Ithrin Luin" on Aim
ArPharazonV (5:09:10 PM): ithrin luin? man, I wish I knew more Elvish...
Eonwe Valar (5:09:22 PM): His main interest was the Tolkien part, but opted
for full membership since he hopes to game more
Eonwe Valar (5:10:02 PM): Ithrin Luin as I recall is the title given to the Blue
Wizards, meaning essentially that
Eonwe Valar (5:10:47 PM): Any other member news?
ArathornValar (5:11:13 PM): Idril-TV has apparently chaned to
Arien-TVused to be Idril1970
ArathornValar (5:11:21 PM): *changed
ArathornValar (5:11:49 PM): To avoid confusion with V Idril V
V Idril V (5:11:53 PM): :D
ArPharazonV (5:12:19 PM): Idril, could you change that background?
ArPharazonV (5:12:28 PM): black is a tiny bit irritating
Bomburv (5:12:32 PM): lol
Bomburv (5:12:42 PM): black is beautiful
V Idril V (5:12:43 PM): sorry forgot
ArPharazonV (5:12:55 PM): not as background... thank you
ArPharazonV (5:13:06 PM):
Eonwe Valar (5:13:08 PM): OK, on the Web news:
Eonwe Valar (5:13:32 PM): Any web news?
ArPharazonV (5:13:37 PM): UESP is back
ArPharazonV (5:13:44 PM): at last
Eonwe Valar (5:13:45 PM): What's that?
ArPharazonV (5:13:50 PM): www.uesp.net
ArPharazonV (5:13:55 PM): very good morrowind site
Eonwe Valar (5:13:58 PM): ah
ArPharazonV (5:14:05 PM): mentioned it's disappearance a few meetings
ArPharazonV (5:14:23 PM): Varda advised me to save the pages on my pc
ArPharazonV (5:14:40 PM): too bad the page was already gone by then, so
sync did not work...
ArPharazonV (5:15:39 PM): wait, do we now have new versions of the beta
Eonwe Valar (5:15:51 PM): Not as far as I know, but that would be gaming
Eonwe Valar (5:16:00 PM): Any other web news?
ArPharazonV (5:16:00 PM): just noticed it, sorry
Eonwe Valar (5:16:51 PM): OK, now on to gamign then :}
Eonwe Valar (5:16:57 PM): Gaming news:
ArPharazonV (5:17:03 PM): see above
Eonwe Valar (5:17:16 PM): We are trying to get 10 of us onto Westfall, in
case ther are 10 WC3 guys here today :}
ArPharazonV (5:17:37 PM): Aiya, Bombur :P
Bomburv (5:17:49 PM): hey
Eonwe Valar (5:17:55 PM): We will be able to compete on the Clan ladder
there and test some features that will eventually be available to all servers
ArPharazonV (5:18:02 PM): just the 2 of us in valar now
Bomburv (5:18:06 PM):
Orodreth V (5:18:22 PM): Oh, Aiya..sorry.
ArPharazonV (5:18:41 PM): got a lot of catching up to do, Oro
Eonwe Valar (5:18:42 PM): possibly one of us will win a WoW beta spot :}
ArPharazonV (5:18:54 PM): or perhaps even more!!
Bomburv (5:19:08 PM): what exactly need we do to win?
Eonwe Valar (5:19:15 PM): As far as new versions of the beta patch, if you
went back to the standard servers, you'd have to re-download the patch
to play on westfall again
Eonwe Valar (5:19:27 PM): Win a tournament :}
ArPharazonV (5:19:31 PM): to be among the 40 best players in the upcoming
Bomburv (5:19:36 PM): a guild tournament?
ArPharazonV (5:19:44 PM): among other things
Eonwe Valar (5:19:49 PM): in part, yes
Bomburv (5:19:56 PM): the best i have ever ranked on an azeroth 1v1
tourney was 89
ArPharazonV (5:19:57 PM): guild 2v2, 3v3, 4v4
Eonwe Valar (5:20:00 PM): but there's also individual tournaments you can
ArPharazonV (5:20:27 PM): I can't wait to fight alongside 3 guildmembers
ArPharazonV (5:20:45 PM): are we still gathering in valar?
Eonwe Valar (5:20:56 PM): we're trying,.. I'll be there shortly
Eonwe Valar (5:21:18 PM): Any other gaming news?
ArathornValar (5:21:29 PM): I've been thinking about trying out
some mapping and coding for Half-Life mods to get a feel
for it, with Half-Life2 around the corner. Might get into
modding as a possible side activity. Was wondering if any
coders are interested..
ArathornValar (5:21:44 PM): Was talking a bit with FarmetMaggot
about it. Could turn out to be some work from it.. that would
be nice. I may post on the message board depending on how
far I get.
ArPharazonV (5:22:25 PM): brb... checking what time I have to get up in the
Eonwe Valar (5:23:03 PM): I need to do something,.. Huan has chair till I get
HuanofValar (5:23:26 PM): Any other gaming news?
ArPharazonV (5:23:31 PM): back... jay, I can stay at the meeting for 90
ArathornValar (5:23:57 PM): Idril and I are in act2 in D2X
HuanofValar (5:24:09 PM): Congratulations
ArathornValar (5:24:17 PM): in case anyone wants to join (Hell
ArathornValar (5:24:38 PM): we've been leap frogging levels all
HuanofValar (5:24:49 PM): If that's all, does anyone have any tolkien
ArathornValar (5:25:12 PM): One was brought up by Erestor
yesterday in a chat
HuanofValar (5:25:30 PM): Please share
ArathornValar (5:25:48 PM): If Frodo (or even Samwise) used the
ring and ordered ...
ArathornValar (5:26:06 PM): the ringwraiths to jump into the fires
ArathornValar (5:26:16 PM): would they be vanquished?
ArPharazonV (5:26:37 PM): If Frodo used the ring, and tried to establish
control over the nazgul, he would have been corrupted
ArathornValar (5:26:40 PM): My comment was that so close to
Mordor both might want to USE teh power of the wraiths...
ArPharazonV (5:26:55 PM): and therefore, never would have had the nazgul
ArathornValar (5:27:03 PM): as opposed to etting rid of them
V Idril V (5:27:07 PM): could they command the nazgul?
HuanofValar (5:27:20 PM): I don't believe that they could use the ring
to that extent without being corrupted
ArathornValar (5:27:31 PM): Another good question.... would the
Nazgul listen to either of them?
HuanofValar (5:27:33 PM): And at that point they would no longer be
able to command the Nazgul to their deaths
HuanofValar (5:27:51 PM): If not Frodo or Sam, what about Saruman?
HuanofValar (5:28:05 PM): Or Gandalf?
ArathornValar (5:28:15 PM): Well, he certainly wouldn't want to
get rid if the Nazgul
ArathornValar (5:28:25 PM): Saruman that is
HuanofValar (5:28:26 PM): well Gandalf would
ArPharazonV (5:28:36 PM): the more power they had, the more power the
ring could gain over them
HuanofValar (5:28:40 PM): I wonder if he could control the ring for that
period of time
ArathornValar (5:28:47 PM): I do wonder though... if the command
was issued, would he fires actually harm teh Nazgul?
HuanofValar (5:29:00 PM): enough perhaps to destroy the Nazgul, and
perhaps do more damage
HuanofValar (5:29:13 PM): I'm sure the fires would destroy the nazgul
ArPharazonV (5:29:17 PM): I don't know.... they did not like fire, that's a
ArPharazonV (5:29:24 PM): or water
ArPharazonV (5:29:39 PM): but they're not exactly materialized beings...
ArathornValar (5:29:44 PM): But they weren't 'created' from the
fires, so why would it harm them I wonder?
HuanofValar (5:29:54 PM): It harmed the One Ring
HuanofValar (5:30:01 PM): because it's the only power enough to
make or unmake the rings
HuanofValar (5:30:14 PM): and so it would destroy the nine rings just
as it destroyed the one ring
ArathornValar (5:30:19 PM): Exactly.. they seem too ethereal to be
killed by fire... hurt maybe
ThorondorV (5:30:22 PM): Sorry, I'm a bit too tired to concentrate right
now, good night all..
V Idril V (5:30:22 PM): hmm i thought it destroyed it because thats where it
HuanofValar (5:30:22 PM): and thereby killing the Nazgul
ArathornValar (5:30:29 PM): But the ring was made from the fires
HuanofValar (5:30:33 PM): Namarie Thorondor
ArPharazonV (5:30:33 PM): but the nazgul did not carry the rings, I thought?
(5:30:36 PM) ThorondorV has left the room.
ArPharazonV (5:30:51 PM): I thought Sauron had the rings, and used them to
control the nazgul?
HuanofValar (5:30:57 PM): And they are real enough to be killed by a
ArPharazonV (5:31:05 PM): who were now mentally linked to the rings?
HuanofValar (5:31:07 PM): Certainly the fires of mount doom could kill
ArPharazonV (5:31:38 PM): if the nazgul carried the rings, the fire would
destroy the rings, therefore destroying them
ArathornValar (5:31:46 PM): hmm.. so did they actually wear the
rings or not?
ArPharazonV (5:32:04 PM): that's the question
HuanofValar (5:32:05 PM): I believe they had to
ArPharazonV (5:32:10 PM): to wear or not to wear
HuanofValar (5:32:22 PM): And even if they did not, they would still die
in the fires
ArathornValar (5:32:30 PM): Wonder if it's mentioned anywhere
specifically... not that I remember
ArPharazonV (5:32:58 PM): and if the witch-king was killed by a sword at
Minas Tirith, and he carried a ring
ArPharazonV (5:33:03 PM): what happened to the ring?
ArathornValar (5:33:07 PM): Do you think they would listen to a
rodo or Sam if they were to give the order... or would they
still be linked to Sauron (allegiance)
ArathornValar (5:33:31 PM): *Frodo
ArPharazonV (5:33:39 PM): yes, the Nazgul served Sauron, when he did not
have the ring
HuanofValar (5:33:43 PM): They are beholden the the One Ring, if
someone could control or use the one ring then they should be
able to order the Nazgul
ArPharazonV (5:33:50 PM): therefore I thought Sauron had the 9 rings in his
ArathornValar (5:34:14 PM): But Sauron didn't have the ring and
they were still beholden to him at the time?
ArPharazonV (5:34:39 PM): why else would the Nazgul and the 9 rings be
destroyed at Sauron's downfall?
ArathornValar (5:34:50 PM): I wonder if someone else could
actually control them with the ring otehr than Sauron since
he created them really?
HuanofValar (5:35:06 PM): All the rings diminished because of the
destruction of the One Ring
HuanofValar (5:35:12 PM): including the Nazgul and their 9 rings
ArPharazonV (5:35:15 PM): diminished, yes
ArPharazonV (5:35:18 PM): but destroyed?
ArPharazonV (5:35:33 PM): the 3 rings remained intact (physicly?
ArPharazonV (5:35:37 PM): *)
ArathornValar (5:35:39 PM): Yes, I think that any ring anywhere
would be destroyed once the One Ring was
ArPharazonV (5:35:56 PM): their powers were gone, but the 3 rings still
HuanofValar (5:36:04 PM): physically they would remain, but the
Nazgul's life was tied to the existance of the rings
ArathornValar (5:36:09 PM): then they would be nothing but
trinkets I imagine
HuanofValar (5:36:12 PM): and the powers of the rings
ArPharazonV (5:36:22 PM): yes, that's a good point
ArPharazonV (5:36:40 PM): the rings did not have any sufficient power
anymore to keep the wraiths in existence
ArathornValar (5:36:53 PM): 'Sale on previously worn Nazgul
rings... come and getem... 5 toppens apiece!...'
HuanofValar (5:37:28 PM): I would be a little weary on putting one of
those on anyway
ArPharazonV (5:37:30 PM): I think all would have been destroyed at the
flooding of Mordor with lava
ArPharazonV (5:37:39 PM): except the one of the Witchking
HuanofValar (5:38:03 PM): Were the Nazgul even in Mordor? Were
they not out about fighting the war?
HuanofValar (5:38:11 PM): and atop that, they were flying
HuanofValar (5:38:30 PM): so they could get away
ArPharazonV (5:38:34 PM): I doubt their rings would remain floating in the
sky when the nazgul died
ArathornValar (5:38:43 PM): The king was for sure... but of the
others... they seemed to be in different places... hard to say
ArPharazonV (5:39:04 PM): in the movie they were fighting eagles
HuanofValar (5:39:06 PM): But I think they would die when their rings
lost power, but who knows how that was to happen
ArathornValar (5:39:30 PM): That kind of makes sense ... air war
Orodreth V (5:39:36 PM): Sauron had the Nazgul's rings, that's how he
Orodreth V (5:39:50 PM): Or at least that's what I've been told.
ArPharazonV (5:39:56 PM): really? that's what I thought as well!
ArPharazonV (5:40:04 PM): where have you read it?
ArathornValar (5:40:19 PM): So what then happened to the Nazgul...
was there any chance that their souls might be cleansed with
ArPharazonV (5:40:21 PM): perhaps from the same source
Orodreth V (5:40:22 PM): Encyc of Arda.
Orodreth V (5:40:28 PM): Doubtful.
ArPharazonV (5:40:44 PM): they were human, after all
Eonwe Valar (5:40:48 PM): back
ArPharazonV (5:40:54 PM): they would still go to Eru, cleansed or not
ArPharazonV (5:41:02 PM): Aiyata
HuanofValar (5:41:02 PM): welcome back
Orodreth V (5:41:04 PM): Perhaps.
Orodreth V (5:41:10 PM): Aiyata.
Orodreth V (5:41:27 PM): I don't know though.
ArPharazonV (5:41:28 PM): nothing Sauron could do would change their
ArathornValar (5:41:30 PM): Then what would happen to them
afterwards? Would they be judged.. have a chance at
Eonwe Valar (5:41:43 PM): In FotR it suggests Sauron holds the Nine, but
UT suggests the Nazgul still wore them, as if Saruman were able to gain
control of the Ring he would be able to control the Nazgul (in Saruman's
Orodreth V (5:41:45 PM): Perhaps Eru has a brig he can shove them
Eonwe Valar (5:42:03 PM): Well, it's more likely the Nazgul would go to
Eonwe Valar (5:42:07 PM): to the Void
(5:42:22 PM) Bomburv has left the room.
ArathornValar (5:42:27 PM): That's what I was thinking.. the Void
Orodreth V (5:42:33 PM): I wonder if Ungoliant went to the Void..hrm.
(5:42:35 PM) Bomburv has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (5:42:38 PM): so, Sauron, by creating the rings and his further
actions... could change a human's ultimate destiny?
Orodreth V (5:42:53 PM): They took the rings by choice.
Orodreth V (5:43:06 PM): They decided what was going to happen.
ArPharazonV (5:43:07 PM): I doubt he could ever accumulate that power, or
that the men could themselves
Eonwe Valar (5:43:08 PM): the earliest tales have the souls of evil men being
thrust forth from the Halls of Fui to the northern plains where Melkor
took them to Angamandi (Angband)
ArathornValar (5:43:14 PM): SO much for redemption... best not to
follow Sauron even when he is winning <heh>
Orodreth V (5:43:14 PM): Kind of.
ArPharazonV (5:43:24 PM): the earliest tales, yes
ArPharazonV (5:43:35 PM): but that was when Angband was still there
ArathornValar (5:43:44 PM): But didn't the dwarves also, or did
they make their own?
Orodreth V (5:43:59 PM): Sauron decided his destiny (to go tot he
void) by siding with Melkor..
HuanofValar (5:44:03 PM): The Dwarvish rings?
Eonwe Valar (5:44:16 PM): All the Rings of Power were made by the Elves
for the Elves
ArPharazonV (5:44:19 PM): they were created by the Elves, with the help of
Eonwe Valar (5:44:30 PM): it was Sauron thaat doled them out ot other
ArPharazonV (5:44:35 PM): just the same as those of Men
HuanofValar (5:44:43 PM): The dwarves were uncorrupted by the
rings touched by Sauron and so Sauron was angered and
fought to get them back
ArPharazonV (5:44:50 PM): it's just that Dwarves were more resilient to
ArPharazonV (5:44:58 PM): just upped their greed a little
ArathornValar (5:45:00 PM): ahh.. I see
Orodreth V (5:45:00 PM): When Aule does a job, he does it right the
ArPharazonV (5:45:17 PM): go Aule!
Eonwe Valar (5:45:21 PM): well, uncorrupted is a bit far,..their greed did
ArathornValar (5:45:22 PM): but men were instantly snared is that
HuanofValar (5:45:39 PM): They still defied Sauron, where men
became his servants
ArPharazonV (5:45:44 PM): well, not instantly... they were offered the rings,
for their power
ArPharazonV (5:45:56 PM): and slowly got corrupted by it
ArPharazonV (5:46:11 PM): human nature to be so greedy
Eonwe Valar (5:46:14 PM): the men who accepted the 9 rings eventually fell
to wraithdom, based on thei strength of their will and their intention for
the Rings use in the first place
ArPharazonV (5:46:34 PM): more greedy for power than Dwarves
Orodreth V (5:46:44 PM): Getting on Westfall..
Eonwe Valar (5:46:45 PM): So evil men fell into wraithdom before more
HuanofValar (5:46:51 PM): Thror even gave his ring up, passing it on
to his son Thrain while he was still alive
ArPharazonV (5:47:12 PM): and Thrain protected the thing with his life...
ArathornValar (5:47:15 PM): ahh.. we silly mortals.. anything for a
ArPharazonV (5:47:28 PM): not just a quick buck, Arathorn
Eonwe Valar (5:47:29 PM): but he didn't apss it to his son, Thorin
ArPharazonV (5:47:31 PM): much much more
HuanofValar (5:47:35 PM): It was their family treasure, but Thorin lost it
Eonwe Valar (5:47:42 PM): *pass
ArPharazonV (5:47:45 PM): power, over other men, and over much land
HuanofValar (5:47:46 PM): I mean Thrain lsot it
ArPharazonV (5:47:54 PM): not to mention immortality
ArPharazonV (5:48:19 PM): reminds me of Arthas from warcraft....
ArPharazonV (5:48:32 PM): he sold his soul, because he was convinced he
would never die
Orodreth V (5:48:43 PM): Sold?
ArPharazonV (5:48:49 PM): well, yeah, sold....
(5:48:56 PM) GwaihirValar has entered the room.
Orodreth V (5:49:01 PM): You mean gave away. with well wishes.
ArPharazonV (5:49:03 PM): he got the sword, and swore allegiance to the
Orodreth V (5:49:05 PM): And presents.
Eonwe Valar (5:49:12 PM): hehe Orodreth
ArathornValar (5:49:19 PM): seems they jumped at having teh rings
because of the instant power though... if you told them
they'd have to wait 500 years and eventually get everything
I doubt they would have bit
Orodreth V (5:49:35 PM): In Valar on Westfall.
ArPharazonV (5:49:38 PM): and then die to a silly hobbit and a woman
Eonwe Valar (5:49:55 PM): They didn't wait 500 years though,.. they had
fame,glory, wealth and power in their lives
ArPharazonV (5:50:30 PM): now that's selling your soul
ArathornValar (5:50:31 PM): exactly my point... instant
gratification was a selling point
ArPharazonV (5:51:15 PM): and no, Ar-Pharazon did not sell his soul... he
was actually convinced he stood on the good side, I think
ArathornValar (5:51:19 PM): just look at 'The Apprentice'
Orodreth V (5:51:32 PM): Sauron's a good con artist.
ArPharazonV (5:51:43 PM): sure is
ArathornValar (5:51:57 PM): Indeed he was.. ruined an entire race
ArPharazonV (5:51:57 PM): and then he still had his good looks
ArPharazonV (5:52:21 PM): Pharazon still did something good...
ArPharazonV (5:52:32 PM): took away Sauron's beatiful face
ArathornValar (5:52:38 PM): well... apparently he DID look good in
gym shorts <snortle>
Orodreth V (5:52:51 PM): AHHHH
Orodreth V (5:52:54 PM): MENTAL IMAGE
ArathornValar (5:52:58 PM): heh
Orodreth V (5:53:02 PM): /me whimpers
ArPharazonV (5:53:10 PM): has anybody seen a picture of Sauron in his
ArathornValar (5:53:32 PM): No, you have a link?
ArPharazonV (5:53:40 PM): nope, I was asking you
ArathornValar (5:53:55 PM): I've only really seen him in armour
GwaihirValar (5:53:58 PM): Sauron didn't have one 'pretty form'
GwaihirValar (5:54:03 PM): he was Maiar, he took on the best shape for his
V Idril V (5:54:16 PM): gtg eat, namarie!
(5:54:18 PM) V Idril V has left the room.
ArathornValar (5:54:21 PM): namarie
ArPharazonV (5:54:23 PM): Namarie
Orodreth V (5:55:38 PM): Stupid Maiar and their shapeshifting.
*mutter* Present company excused, of course.
ArathornValar (5:55:44 PM): Well, I'm off to grab a bite too .. will
be afk for a bit
GwaihirValar (5:55:54 PM): k
ArPharazonV (5:56:05 PM): good idea! An undead druid in WoW called
Orodreth V (5:56:10 PM): lol
ArPharazonV (5:56:14 PM): too bad druids are only ne and tauren...
ArPharazonV (5:56:38 PM): and besides, doesn't matter, really
ArPharazonV (5:56:46 PM): druid is the only class I won't use
Orodreth V (5:57:17 PM): La.
Orodreth V (5:57:17 PM): Getting f00d. Be back soon.
ArPharazonV (5:57:24 PM): sys
Eonwe Valar (5:58:18 PM): I guess we can declare the meeting adjourned :}
Those of us trying to get into Westfall, I'm moving that way right now,..
just gotta get my TFT to quit telling me I'm using v 1.14 :}
ArPharazonV (5:58:50 PM): great, that makes 4 of us...
ArPharazonV (5:58:58 PM): 6 too little
Eonwe Valar (5:58:59 PM): who's there right now?
ArPharazonV (5:59:08 PM): me, dreth, gwai
ArPharazonV (5:59:19 PM): and bombur, but playing ladder I think
Eonwe Valar (5:59:35 PM): huan, interested in joining us?