Valar Guild

April 11, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST, 22:00 GMT
News
Meeting Begins
Member News
Web News:
    Links
    Art
    Google Mail
    AIMBridge rewrite
Gaming News:
    WC3/TFT
       Map: Weakest Link
    MeO MMORPG
    MeO rp on forum
     Half-Life mods
    TA  : Total Annihiliation
Tolkien:
    Eonwe caused things to happen
    Sauron's pride
    Elrond - quote from his charge to the members of the Fellowship; discussion

MeneldilValar
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mikenowo has entered the room.
ArathornValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya!
MeneldilValar: Aiya, Varda.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya
GwaihirValar: hi
Eonwe Valar: Aiya and Happy Easter all!
VardaValar1: Happy Easter :)
GwaihirValar: Happy Chocolate-Day! :)
ArPharazonV: Happy Easter
MeneldilValar: If you think about it then.. just guessing here, mind you.. we're probably the distance of our characters -- Arphy in Numenor and Meneldil in Osgiliath.
ArPharazonV: Happy holiday at the same time of the year JC took his 3-day holiday.... is that considered blasphemy here?
ArPharazonV: only then it would be earlier here, instead of later :)
MeneldilValar: Yeah.
ArPharazonV: anyone here a fanatic Christian?
VardaValar1: yes :)
Eonwe Valar: If I can say "Happy Resurrection Day" I'll live,.. no pun intended if any taken
VardaValar1: Raukoluin can't open Clan Vala, anyone else?
MeneldilValar: I'm not a fanatic.. I'd say I'm a slightly devout Roaming Catholic. :P
VardaValar1: Depends on what you think "fanatic" is
ArPharazonV: devout... also a word I could have used :)
Eonwe Valar: indeed
VardaValar1: Fanatic Tolkien fan :)
Eonwe Valar: fanatic people tend to use to connotate that there is something wrong with actually trying to follow the beliefs you claim to adhere to
MeneldilValar: Let's just say I enjoy discussing Tolkienesque issues over religious.
ArPharazonV: well, if you're offended by my statement above, I'd say you were kind of fanatic....
ArPharazonV: Fanatic Tolkien fan... aren't we all?
GwaihirValar: I dunno, I'd say my statement is worse... callnig Easter chocolate day
VardaValar1: I'm doing several things at once, I'll scroll and hope it doesn't clear me out of the chat like last time
Eonwe Valar: Well, I wouldn't call what Jesus did a vacation,.. otherwise no real problems,..
VardaValar1: I imagine Jesus was very glad to take some time back in Heaven after what we put him through
Eonwe Valar: pardon, him taking a "holiday"
ArPharazonV: that was the joke, calling it a vacation because it's a vacation now...
ArPharazonV: yes holiday... does it matter? ;)
VardaValar1: Can we get Public Chat Valar working with the AIM Bridge?
GwaihirValar: one thing I never understood about religion... if God created everything... then he created time, and thus every day would be a 'holy day', or holiday.
VardaValar1: Raukoluin says he can't come into AIM
VardaValar1: Every day is a holy day :)
VardaValar1: We are supposed to pray continually
ArPharazonV: ergo: every day is a vacation!
ArathornValar: Farmer won't be here today
VardaValar1: But that is not what this meeting is about
VardaValar1: Can anyone else run the Bridge?
GwaihirValar: nope...
VardaValar1: Arathorn?
Eonwe Valar: indeed, Gwaihir, which is why everyone is supposed to work 6 days and rest on the Seventh
ArPharazonV: because the Seventh is the Day the Lord took a holiday...
ArPharazonV: *day without D
GwaihirValar: somany things about religion that make so little sense...
Eonwe Valar: not to mention that in the Jewish traditions, Passoever is more than one day, and each of those is a Sabbath and not to be worked on
Eonwe Valar: when you don't study it :}
VardaValar1: You have to know a lot of background to understand the sense
ArPharazonV: in Jewish tradition, it's Saturday isn't it?
VardaValar1: Saturday is the actual Sabbath, yes
VardaValar1: Sunday is a way of saying now the whole week is holy
Eonwe Valar: Well, the day starts at even, so it's almost Monday by the Jewish Calendar
VardaValar1: So we get both days off ;)
ArPharazonV: and the Roman emperor actually inserted the Sunday, instead of the Saturday....
ArPharazonV: Constantine
ArathornValar: don't think anyone else has teh program for teh brodge do they?
ArPharazonV: first emperor who went Christian
VardaValar1: I thought you did Arathorn, ah well
ArPharazonV: with a little features of his own background...
ArPharazonV: he also added the Cross as an official Christian symbol
MeneldilValar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: and there was other stuff... but I'd have to look it up
MeneldilValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: somewhere in my notes :)
VardaValar1: Before we start a jihad, let's start our meeting
MeneldilValar: ::returns, grumbling at his computer::
Eonwe Valar: TO be honest, can't tell you much about Constantine,.. although in my searches for historical data on the term "Paladin," it does seem to be tied to him
ArPharazonV: Paladin? cool
ArPharazonV: did not know that
MeneldilValar: Constantine was an interesting person. -,-
ArPharazonV: we did an entire college about him.... even 2
VardaValar1: or we could just forget it and have a religious talk :)
ArPharazonV: Classical Archaeology
Eonwe Valar: I was looking for historical data as well as linguistic background,.. unfortunately that's all my searches turned up
MeneldilValar: How about for our Tolkien discussion, Varda, we discuss the mythology of Arda? :P
ArPharazonV: OK, Varda, go ahead!
VardaValar1: Will start inviting people while you guys talk
ArPharazonV: speech speech speech
Eonwe Valar: Pardon Varda, sorry :}
ArPharazonV: *sitting in the background, listening...
ArathornValar: heh.. religion and politics.... always a bad idea for topics
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VardaValar1: Aiya
UlfangV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya, Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya
UlfangV: aiya
Eonwe Valar: depending on particiapnts, I'd agree Arathorn, but we're unusually civilized for a group of people (or I hope we are :}) so it's not as dangerous at least to me :}
ArPharazonV: in here we are..
MeneldilValar: Aiya, Ulfang.
VardaValar1: I've seen it get a bit hot even here
VardaValar1: Always seems to be at least one who wants to shout down everyone else's opinions
Eonwe Valar: afk for a few
ArPharazonV: I respect other people's beliefs... as long as they respect mine
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VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

VardaValar1: Member News:
VardaValar1: Erestor is stuck working during meetings
VardaValar1: and sends regards
VardaValar1: He asked to be allowed to leave during meetings, pretty adamant
VardaValar1: They offered him a raise if he'd work then
VardaValar1: So we got him a raise :)
VardaValar1: Any other member news?
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VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: Link from Orodreth:
VardaValar1: Ringbearer's Day, a live celebration
VardaValar1: April 10
VardaValar1: Was in New York City, sounded like fun
ArPharazonV: Sunday April 10 ???
VardaValar1: I trust you folks know the guild has an art page
DemonicHorde69 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
DemonicHorde69: aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: The guild art page is called the Glittering Caves of Aglarond
VardaValar1: Elatan fka Amillo used to run it
GwaihirValar: Saturday April 10, you mean :)
ArPharazonV: April 8, 2004 Link from Orodreth: Ringbearer's Day - event taking place at Marymount Manhattan College in New York City, Sunday April 10. If anyone can go, this looks to be fun!
VardaValar1: but when Yahoo took over GeoCities, they wrecked him by losing the pass and other stuff
ArPharazonV: Sunday April 10
VardaValar1: Thanks for the copy paste, and sorry about the Sunday
GwaihirValar: *chuckles* :)
MeneldilValar: Evil GeoCities. Evil Yahoo.
ArPharazonV: np
VardaValar1: I figure you guys can look at the link and get straight :)
VardaValar1: He worked with them a long time but they were no help
ArPharazonV: either Saturday 10 or Sunday 11... big difference...
VardaValar1: He lost interest eventually, turning to making longbows and leather items
VardaValar1: so we didn't have an active art page
ArPharazonV: cool! sounds like he can have his part in an MMORPG ;)
VardaValar1: So I'm currently collecting his pages and putting them on valarguild.org server
VardaValar1: with Alatar's permission
VardaValar1: My daughter Eowyn knows much more about such things and offered to help with updates.
HuanofValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Anyway, that means the art page is once again open for business
VardaValar1: Aiya Huan :)
HuanofValar: Aiya
MeneldilValar: Aiya.
VardaValar1: Although it's not up completely yet, we can start taking your art again
VardaValar1: We use it for the Encyc articles for one thing
MeneldilValar: If only I had an ounce of artistic ability. :P
VardaValar1: and I intend to add art to the Stories and Poetry pages
ArPharazonV: I need to learn how to draw :'( I'm full of good ideas, but...
VardaValar1: You can also send in favorite links
VardaValar1: but please give credit
ArPharazonV: don't want any problems with the law :)
MeneldilValar: ::nod:: Of course.
VardaValar1: The old page didn't have credits which is driving us crazy as we have to hunt them up
VardaValar1: We even have photos of a Frodo sculpture done by Tuvo
VardaValar1: Doesn't have to be drawn
VardaValar1: Any other web news from all you web weavers?
ArPharazonV: (ah... love this song... Into the West...)
MeneldilValar: Kind of unrelated, but Google will soon be offering a 1GB mail service. -,-
MeneldilValar: Gmail.
GwaihirValar: free?
MeneldilValar: Yes, if I remember correctly.
GwaihirValar: then it's worth checking out *chuckles*
MeneldilValar: They believe in the principle of never having to delete your email.
ArPharazonV: Frodo looks a little old...
MeneldilValar: gmail.google.com
MeneldilValar: There's not an account signup yet, but you can give them your email addy and they'll send you alerts about it as soon as it's up.
MeneldilValar: As soon as it's up, make sure to "steal" your Tolkienesque names quickly. :P
GwaihirValar: hehe
ArPharazonV: reminds me...
ArPharazonV: probably gonna be a name rush at the release of WoW :)
VardaValar1: Imagine the one in MeO : )
MeneldilValar: Legolas_01 - 50 will be taken up immediately. -,-
GwaihirValar: many by females
VardaValar1: Popular guy
ArPharazonV: even worse, yes... though I think WoW will be a little more popular... you hear more about it
MeneldilValar: ::nod::
VardaValar1: I'd rather see a guy get the Legolas name, personally
MeneldilValar: Must.. resist.. MMORPGS...
ArPharazonV: why, Meneldil?
VardaValar1: How about just an inexpensive text rp on our forum then? : )
ArPharazonV: give in... join us....
ArPharazonV: resistance is futile...
VardaValar1: Costs about like a magazine subscription
MeneldilValar: Too expensive -- plus, I've seen the effects of EQ on my brother. :/
VardaValar1: EQ... I should be on EQ...
VardaValar1: You don't have to let it get you that bad
VardaValar1: Give yourself times when you come in
MeneldilValar: I know myself though.. I know I will. :P
ArPharazonV: I know all I need to know about EQ.. read all the GU comics :-D
VardaValar1: Lot of Tolkien flavor to it
VardaValar1: I'm a wood elf hanging around a tree city made of flets : )
ArPharazonV: almost every Middle-Age themed game has a Tolkien Flavor...
ArPharazonV: lot's of Elves and Orcs everywhere
VardaValar1: This one has it more than most, but aye
VardaValar1: Tolkien rules it all : )
MeneldilValar: Perhaps after I finish school (..another 8 years.. -,-) I will hop on to a MMORPG.
GwaihirValar: I know someone who skipped a month of school for EQ
ArPharazonV: Think about Warcraft!
VardaValar1: Diablo : )
MeneldilValar: I do play WC3..
MeneldilValar: I have D2.. don't like it much, however. :/
ArPharazonV: Warcraft is all about Tolkien and Greek Mythology
MeneldilValar: ::nod::
VardaValar1: D2 is good for company and if you have to break to do chores
VardaValar1: So, any other web news?
MeneldilValar: Also just got Age of Mythology and the Expansion.. both excellent.
ArPharazonV: nice!
MeneldilValar: Nein here.
VardaValar1: Ulfang reminds me of the Engrish humor page, our Humor page has a link to it
VardaValar1: congrats : )

VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: I have none, except that I need you to email Ladder updates for Diablo
VardaValar1: Anyone else?
VardaValar1: Eonwe, go ahead
Eonwe Valar: Blizzard has a new WC3 map up celebrating today's holiday :}
ArPharazonV: Egg hunt! It's great!
Eonwe Valar: Egg Hunt :} I've downloaded it,.. hopefully I'll get a chance to look at it :}
ArPharazonV: I've played it today :)
ArPharazonV: the more players, the more awsome it is...
Eonwe Valar: Therre's also a new Developer Diary for MEO
Eonwe Valar: Can't remember exactly what it's on, but it's there :}
ArPharazonV: anybody want to play Egg Hunt after the meeting?
MeneldilValar: I have some new additions for my entry on the Activity page. -,- WC3 (Meneldil-V), WC3-TFT (Meneldil-V), D (Meneldil-V), D2 (Meneldil-V), D2X (Meneldil-V), Age of Mythology (MeneldilValar), --tobecontinued--
Eonwe Valar: Written by Gubtug, one of the MEo guys, of course :}
ArPharazonV: maximum of 8 players :)
MeneldilValar: Age of Mythology: The Titans (MeneldilValar), and Well of Souls (Bookworm or Meneldil-V)
MeneldilValar: Sure, Arphy.
VardaValar1: Meneldil , please email that to me
MeneldilValar: Okay..
Eonwe Valar: That's it for me,.. *hands back the floor*
VardaValar1: With luck I'll have a save of this AIM : )
ArPharazonV: And after years I've finally started playing TA again :)
MeneldilValar: TA?
ArPharazonV: thanks to Orodreth...
ArPharazonV: Total Annihilation
MeneldilValar: Aha..
ArPharazonV: played my first TA multi-game yesterday with him :)
VardaValar1: Arathorn made some Half-life posts to the Forum
MeneldilValar: Anyone else here play WC3 TFT? I have an idea for a map.. have no mapmaking skills, however. -,-
ArPharazonV: same here ;)
GwaihirValar: I play, but don't mapmake
MeneldilValar: I've seen "The Weakest Link" maps on WC.. was thinking about making a Valar Guild-backed Tolkien "Weakest Link" map..
ArPharazonV: Weakest Link? sounds cool
ArPharazonV: like the tv-quiz?
MeneldilValar: ::nod::
MeneldilValar: Not exactly in the same format, but something of the sort.
MeneldilValar: Most of the maps have 100 random questions on the topic, I was thinking we could easily compile 1000...
ArPharazonV: 'whose land deserves the most to sink... who is the weakest link?' rhyme not intentional...
VardaValar1: Could grab them off our current Quizes page
MeneldilValar: ::nods to Varda:: So.. do I have any more helpers for my project? :P
MeneldilValar: O:-)
VardaValar1: Rhyme is good : ) Adds flavor
ArPharazonV: I'd love too... but map-making not in my area of skills...
VardaValar1: but we have a lot of WC3 players
VardaValar1: Some of them may be able to help
Eonwe Valar: the triggers don't sound all that hard to set up
MeneldilValar: I'd need question compilers too, Arphy. :D
VardaValar1: and then make them rhyme ; )
MeneldilValar: I could give you a copy of one of the current "WL" maps, Eonwe, and you could take a look at it, perhaps?
ArPharazonV: or how about some remarks like the one above?
GwaihirValar: I could very easily help with the questions
Eonwe Valar: sure
Eonwe Valar: I'll try to make some time
GwaihirValar: *chuckles* I've done it before :)
ArPharazonV: I'll do what I can... perhaps we can set up a thread for it!
GwaihirValar: feel free to take any question off of the quizzes I wrote
ArPharazonV: so we don't mail you the same questions :)
Eonwe Valar: good idea
MeneldilValar: Indeed.
VardaValar1: See the Quizzes pages if you like
VardaValar1: They are linked to our Tolkien Encyclopedia
VardaValar1: Any further Gaming news?
MeneldilValar: My goal is 1000 -- however, the more the merrier.
ArPharazonV: how about the Trivia questions in the forum?
VardaValar1: Good thought
ArPharazonV: full of them today ;)
VardaValar1: : )
MeneldilValar: Nothing else here, Varda.
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArathornValar: Found some Half Life multi player mods that are interesting... one is wizard based (for any HL /CS types)...
ArathornValar: posted details on teh forum
ThorondorV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Eagle : )
ThorondorV: Heya just came home
ArPharazonV: Aiya
MeneldilValar: Aiya, (first) Windlord.
VardaValar1: Welcome home!
ThorondorV: Thanks :)
VardaValar1: We're in Gaming News
ArPharazonV: Windlords everywhere today!
MeneldilValar: Indeed.
VardaValar1: We could use more players in the MeO rp
GwaihirValar: hullo Thorondor! Welcome back!
MeneldilValar: Windlord Sr. and Windlord Jr. :P
ThorondorV: hehe
ArPharazonV: position of Fluffy still open ;)
VardaValar1: All it takes is going to the forumr, read and type
VardaValar1: and come up with a Sindarin way of saying "Fluffy" ; )
ArPharazonV: what does Fluffy mean in Sindarin?
Eonwe Valar: My character is bound for Erebor,.. a good position for meetings if anyone wants to be an Elf messenger from Rivendell, or a Dwarf from the lonely mountain
VardaValar1: It would still *mean* Fluffy : )
ArPharazonV: duh...
ArPharazonV: you know what I mean
MeneldilValar: I'm not good at roleplaying.. whole creativity thing again.. so I'm afraid I won't be helping out with the MeO RP.
VardaValar1: I'll dig through the dictionaries if you don't want to : )
VardaValar1: Then you can read it and have fun that way
ArPharazonV: I love Arathorn's 'Fluffed one' :-P
VardaValar1: Lurking is fun too
VardaValar1: We could work with that : )
VardaValar1: Any other Gaming News?
ArPharazonV: what's another word for Fluffy?
ArPharazonV: Fuzzy?
ArathornValar: Fluffy = Helvian
ArPharazonV: Helvian?
ArathornValar: (Furry)
ArPharazonV: nice!
ArathornValar: well.. helv is fur anyway
ArPharazonV: Helvian, sounds good
ArPharazonV: I'm not going to edit my previous posts, but from now on his name is Helvian
ArPharazonV: thnx Arathorn
ArathornValar: Meneldil, you can play a spider... run out from behind a tree, bite, and run back
ArPharazonV: so... anyone wanna play Helvian? ;)
VardaValar1: You can edit or not, no problem. Just fun to learn the new words
GwaihirValar: make sure to bite Helvy *chuckles*
VardaValar1: We could use short term players too, such as border guards
ArPharazonV: Helvy! Excellent!
Lady Fallun: Is Helvian rabid?
VardaValar1: Helvian might become rabid if he bites Haran
ArPharazonV: Just recovering from a secondary source of Gulhuine.m..
ArPharazonV: *Gulhuine
Eonwe Valar: and you say that so casually,.. :}
VardaValar1: People might also post bits of atmosphere, such as describing the scenery, or sounds
MeneldilValar: Heh, Arathorn.
MeneldilValar: YGM, by the way, Eonwe. :D
VardaValar1: YGM?
Eonwe Valar: YGM?
ArathornValar: FUll name = "Draug-Helvian" (Fluffy wolf )
ArPharazonV: But I don't think Helvy is rabid...
MeneldilValar: You've Got Mail! :P
ArPharazonV: if Helv is Fur
ArPharazonV: Helvy is Furry
Eonwe Valar: ah, ok,.. hope it's not a map or it won't go through :}
ArPharazonV: = Fluffy
VardaValar1: You are thinking in English terms : )
Eonwe Valar: I don't have enough space for anythign near that size right now
ArPharazonV: I'm thinking in cute-naming-terms
MeneldilValar: Ah, okay..
VardaValar1: ok : ) Those are good too
VardaValar1: We have sort of gone into Tolkien, so let's make it official
VardaValar1: Tolkien:
ArPharazonV: so, he's called Helvian, or Helvy in short.. problem solved
VardaValar1: Eonwe has an interesting quote, when we're ready
ArPharazonV: ready
VardaValar1: He or she, Phar?
MeneldilValar: ::gets his battle gear on for Tolkien discussion::
ArPharazonV: I believe I made it a He
ArPharazonV: but my horse is a She
VardaValar1: Hmm, types of battle gear
ArathornValar: She = Helvia
ArPharazonV: Helvion perhaps something?
VardaValar1: Eonwe, do you have your quote ready?
Eonwe Valar: flipping to the page :}
VardaValar1: Meanwhile, might consider what your character uses for battle gear!
ArPharazonV: at least throwing daggers, including the boomagger
ArPharazonV: probably leather...
MeneldilValar: One thing that I noted, while Eonwe is flipping, is how Eonwe, the Tolkienesque character, caused many eventful things -,-
VardaValar1: I mean your Tolkien character
VardaValar1: Very true, Menel
VardaValar1: His guild character does too ; )
MeneldilValar: Sauron was thinking about turning a new leaf, but Eonwe commanded that he present himself before the Valar. (Can't think of the exact passage)
MeneldilValar: So Sauron turned and ran back into darkness..
VardaValar1: Pride, couldn't handle it
ArPharazonV: so he actually prevented Sauron turning good?
ArPharazonV: damn you Eonwe!
MeneldilValar: :P
Eonwe Valar: Eonwë had no authority to pardon Sauron
VardaValar1: Sauron prevented himself, actually
ArPharazonV: influenced by Eonwe
VardaValar1: As Eonwe-Valar said, Eonwe did not have the authority to pardon Sauron
Eonwe Valar: Ok, quote ready
HuanofValar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: just on the moment it all starts getting exciting...
VardaValar1: Raukoluin is installing TFT, will need you to flag him soon.
Eonwe Valar: I've been thinkign about this part recently, and how it really shows Elrond's wisdom. The quote I will give unabridged :}
VardaValar1: Please go ahead
MeneldilValar: I think I need to be flagged too -,-
VardaValar1: Go ahead with quote, flags later : )
Eonwe Valar: "At that moment Elrond came out with Gandalf, and he called the Company to him. 'This is my last word,' he said in a low voice.'The Ring-bearer is setting out on the Quest of Mount Doom.
Eonwe Valar: On him alone is any charge laid; neither to cast away the Ring, nore to deliver it to any servant of the Enemy nor indeed to let any handle it, save members of the Company and the Council, and only then in gravest need.
Eonwe Valar: The others go with him as free companions, to help him on his way. You may tarry, or come back, or turn aside into other paths, as chance allow. The further you go, the less easy will it be to withdraw;
Eonwe Valar: yet no oath or bond is laid on you to go further than you will. For you do not yet know the strength of your hearts, and you cannot forsee what each may meet upon the road.'
Eonwe Valar: 'Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens,' said Gimli.
Eonwe Valar: 'Maybe,' said Elrond, 'but let him not vow to walk in the dark, who has not seen the nightfall.'
Eonwe Valar: 'Yet sworn word may strengthen quaking heart,' said Gimli.
Eonwe Valar: 'Or break it,' said Elrond. 'Look not too far ahead! ZBut go now with good hearts! Farewell, and may the blessing of Elves and men and all Free Folk go with you. May the stars shine upon your faces!'"
Eonwe Valar: End quote.
VardaValar1: *applauds*
ArPharazonV: *'s mouth falls open in awe
VardaValar1: Read aloud to some folk live at this house
MeneldilValar: ::claps with Varda::
ArPharazonV: *cheers*
ArPharazonV: *toasts*
VardaValar1: That is enough to prove Elrond wise
MeneldilValar: Indeed.
VardaValar1: Frodo is not even told he has to drop the Ring in Mt Doom
ArathornValar: <*Arathorn waves bunny flag in cheer!*>
ArPharazonV: he could take it to the South Pole if he wanted too...
Eonwe Valar: Well, no, he still has to take it to Mount Doom :}
MeneldilValar: Much c-c-c-older climate there..
ArathornValar: <*Arathorn waves penguin flag in cheer!*>
ArPharazonV: he's setting out on the Quest...
ArPharazonV: not told to finish it
Eonwe Valar: Another part that shows his wisdom is that he saw where the conversation with Gimli was turning and put a stop to it.
MeneldilValar: Would be an interesting turn of events if the remaining Fellowship, after the fall of the Grey Wizard and Boromir, had departed to Mordor.
VardaValar1: That was a good comment for all of them to hear, since they might have been thinking the same as Gimli said aloud
ArPharazonV: I don't think Gollum would have stood a chance...
MeneldilValar: Things would be much different -,-
ArPharazonV: mucho different
VardaValar1: It would still have been a small group, might have made it, but then no big distraction by Aragorn
MeneldilValar: Rohan would've most likely been crushed..
VardaValar1: All toast
ArPharazonV: yes, if they had taken the same time, both Rohan and Minas Tirith would have been crushed
ArPharazonV: and Sauron would have put his attention on the Ring again
VardaValar1: If Faramir had been there instead of Boromir, I think he wouldhave counseled them to split up, no deaths would have had to occur forit.
Eonwe Valar: It also seemed a bit Gimli was boasting, and Elrond didn't want to get into a long trade of "words of wisdom" with a Dwarf :} too much bad blood could be stirred I imagine
VardaValar1: True
MeneldilValar: Yeah, Eonwe.
VardaValar1: Not many dwarves there, in the midst of all those elves...
GwaihirValar: Sorry to interrupt... but does anybody here who plays diablo 2: LoD want a hellrack Colossus Crossbow?
ArPharazonV: would the Quest have failed if the Fellowship stayed whole?
MeneldilValar: Most likely, Arphy.
GwaihirValar: yes, almost definitely
VardaValar1: I think it would have failed
ArathornValar: I think orcs and Suaron would have seen teh company sooner had more been there...
GwaihirValar: Gondor would've fallen, larger company couldn't have been so stealthy
VardaValar1: Mordor would have been full of its armies
GwaihirValar: Rohan would've fallen
VardaValar1: Aragorn pulled them out of Mordor
ArathornValar: esp. with Aragorn there... Sauron might have sensed his historical power sooner
GwaihirValar: Sauron wouldn't have been distracted by Aragorn
MeneldilValar: Fangorn destroyed.
ArPharazonV: Shire probably gone as well.. although Saruman would not have personally traveled to it
ArPharazonV: in any case, Quest failed: so the whole of ME doomed probably
MeneldilValar: Probably would've sent Grima and a multitude of Uruk-hai.. Gone in Sixty Seconds. :P
MeneldilValar: D'you think Sauron and Saruman would've duked it out after that? -,-
MeneldilValar: Saruman wanted power above all..
VardaValar1: Interesting
ArPharazonV: Eriador and Rohan versus the rest of ME... including South and East
VardaValar1: Saruman might have found himself an underling forever scheming to get ahead.
ArPharazonV: + Sauron would have his ring
MeneldilValar: True.
ArPharazonV: bye bye Saruman
UlfangV: my vote's with the rest of ME.
GwaihirValar: ME would've started to fall, Sauron would've challenged Valinor, Valar would've torn him apart...
ArPharazonV: that's true
VardaValar1: If the Valar fought, M-e would also be wrecked
GwaihirValar: yup
GwaihirValar: but still
VardaValar1: That's one reason they stopped actively interfering
GwaihirValar: and no people
ArPharazonV: but if he was even one bit smarter an Morgoth, he would not have challenged Valinor until the whole of ME was actually under his control
UlfangV: how would sauron get to valinor? the world was round by then.
VardaValar1: He merely had to speak and I would hear
GwaihirValar: He wouldn't have GOTTEN there
Eonwe Valar: Not a very good way to help mankind spread its wings, having to have the Valar come in and clean up your messes,..
GwaihirValar: but he would've made his challenge very well known
GwaihirValar: and also Sauron was still Maiar
GwaihirValar: even if trapped in physical form
Eonwe Valar: Sauron is a Maia and not bound by the limitations of coporeal beings,.. how is army would've got there is a different question :}
VardaValar1: The Valar would come to him, since he would have taken over M-e
ArPharazonV: the whole of Arda round doomed forever... would that not have gotten the Valar's attention?
VardaValar1: They could not let that stand forever
VardaValar1: Sauron would be destroyed, but so would M-e
Eonwe Valar: They might wait until it was evident the denizens could do nothing to get back on top
VardaValar1: So they nipped it early
ArPharazonV: Sauron being thrown beside Morgoth
VardaValar1: The Valar wanted Mankind to come into its time, and their actions were arranged to make it happen.
ArPharazonV: so, probably not long after the failure of the Quest...
MeneldilValar: The Ring would've been Sauron's choker.: P
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: how ironic
UlfangV: one could argue sauron's domination of ME is part of Eru's master plan.
ArPharazonV: succes: bye bye Sauron
ArPharazonV: failure: bye bye Sauron
VardaValar1: : )
ArPharazonV: however, failure of the Quest: bye bye ME as well probably
UlfangV: hey, i'm a bad guy. someone has to stick up for the dark lord.
ArathornValar: hmmmm what if it ended in a tie
UlfangV: he gets no love.
ArPharazonV: a tie?
Eonwe Valar: Aragorn takes the Ruling Ring?
MeneldilValar: Arphy's a Sauron-worshipper. :P
VardaValar1: Sauron will be glad to hear what you said when he comes back in the room : )
ArPharazonV: why me?
MeneldilValar: Because. You are.
UlfangV: oh yea. right on, brother in badiness.
ArPharazonV: Ulfang is his worshipper it seems...
GwaihirValar: because you actually worshipped Sauron
GwaihirValar: your character, I mean
ArPharazonV: I let him have his temple, that's all
GwaihirValar: well, technically, you worshipped Melkor
GwaihirValar: you joined in the worshipping lol
ArPharazonV: do kings worship high-priests?
ArPharazonV: does Bush worship the pope?
UlfangV: not everyone can be cool like us.
GwaihirValar: hence: techniclaly you worshipped Melkor
ArathornValar: what if Frodo ran off into caves with the ring and became another Gollum... and no one could find him?
VardaValar1: Bush is Protestant ;)
ArPharazonV: oh...
ArPharazonV: sorry
VardaValar1: They would hunt Frodo down
MeneldilValar: And Kennedy didn't worship the Pope either. -,-
UlfangV: oh let's not go there. tooo.... many.... bush.... dark lord jokes....
VardaValar1: since they knew the Ring was out there
ArPharazonV: can anyone name a Catholic countryleader?
ArPharazonV: ah, Kennedy
VardaValar1: Kennedy
VardaValar1: Most Romance countries
MeneldilValar: He was the only Catholic president.
ArPharazonV: so, I ignored Eru and worshipped Morgoth... how nice
ArPharazonV: I made war on the Valar, and made Sauron practically my equal...
MeneldilValar: I think I said three words in my entire lifetime. -,-
ArathornValar: hmm.. what if he wore a funny had, nose and glasses.. like groucho, and they didn't recongnize him..)?... maybe not ... :-\
ArPharazonV: I sure was a loser, right?
MeneldilValar: "Go now with good speed, and may the Sun of your setting out not cease to shine on your road!" <-- what I said to Uncle Isildur as he left for Arnor.
UlfangV: arphy: no biggie. every fella has his down day.
ArathornValar: Actually, seriously thoug... WHAT if Frodo had lost the ring again... and no one could find it... what then?
ArPharazonV: but that's over! From now on I shall be known as Tar-Calion!
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: hehe, Cal :}
ArPharazonV: next week I'm joining the meeting as Tar-Calion
UlfangV: hey!
VardaValar1: Not going to leave Ulfang all alone?
Eonwe Valar: I don't think Frodo would've lost the Ring at that point
UlfangV: *smacks ar pharazon*
VardaValar1: Frodo would not let it get away
ArPharazonV: what? I do have to make a clear separation between myself and the last 'evil' Pharazon in this Guild, right?
Eonwe Valar: it had already caught him to an extent
UlfangV: no no no.
ArathornValar: Well, actually he did at one point...
VardaValar1: You have done that brilliantly, Phar, np : )
MeneldilValar: Yes, he did.
ArathornValar: just that it was found again
GwaihirValar: don't like being 'Aprhy'? :)
MeneldilValar: For a fleeting glance, he lost it.
Eonwe Valar: Indeed Pharazon, you've managed that well enough so far :}
ArathornValar: what if it wasn't found... how would the war have gone?
ArPharazonV: well, Arphy does sound better then Cali....
VardaValar1: Everybody scrambling to find it
MeneldilValar: Arph, arph.
MeneldilValar: Woof, woof.
Eonwe Valar: if it wasn't found the war wouldn't have happened yet :}
ArPharazonV: hence my pet Helvy ;)
ArPharazonV: Arphy and Helvy
MeneldilValar: What if Frodo had gone to Minas Tirith?
ArPharazonV: sounds like a circusact
VardaValar1: Sauron was building up huge armies. He wasn't ready to attack when Aragorn provoked him into the early battle.
UlfangV: they should've kept the scene where farmir saw frodo turning into a gollum
ArathornValar: No one found it for a long time when it fell in teh Anduin... what if it happened again and was hidden from everyone
ArathornValar: The war was already underway...
MeneldilValar: I think Ulmo had the Ring when it was in the Anduin -- was keeping it for Gollum. -,-
ArPharazonV: or ending up in the Sea?
VardaValar1: Might be exactly right, Menel
Eonwe Valar: the only way that would happen is if Frodo would've been eaten by Shelob
ArathornValar: are you saying because the ring anished that they'd all go "huh... oh well... " turn around and go home?
MeneldilValar: The itsy bitsy spider...
Eonwe Valar: Saruman had already been telling peopel it was in the sea,.. Sauron would sent orc scuba divers after it
UlfangV: oooh.... shelob eats the ring. that's a good one.
VardaValar1: Gollum planned to get the Ring from Shelob
ArPharazonV: nope, but Sauron's victory or 'happiness' would never have been complete...
Eonwe Valar: assuming shelob doesn't use gollum as a toothpick :}
MeneldilValar: And you think Shelob would've given him the Ring?
MeneldilValar: :P
UlfangV: would she become invisible?
ArPharazonV: I think Shelob would have used the ring for herself :)
VardaValar1: The Ring wanted to go to Sauron, and worked on people or beings to bring it to him.
ArathornValar: I wonder which of the 8 legs she'd wear it on,,>
Eonwe Valar: She was desended from Ungoliant,.. quite possible she would've percieved the power of the Ring
ArPharazonV: the great Spider-queen...
UlfangV: it didn't work on gollum while he had it.
MeneldilValar: Maybe on her Jacksonian stinger, Arathorn.
VardaValar1: Gollum expected to pick it up after Frodo was dead, not ask her for it
ArathornValar: SO, Varda, you're saying that if it was lost so close to Sauron he'd inevitably find it?
VardaValar1: I think he would, yes
ArPharazonV: after a time
VardaValar1: Aye
UlfangV: sauron versus super-shelob? hm. i don't know who to worship now.
VardaValar1: He was immortal, plenty of time
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: after he was done with Aragorn and the Army of the West, he would've turned to the search, finding they did not have it
VardaValar1: Poor Ulfang
MeneldilValar: I could just see the Dark Lord digging through spider crap. -,-
UlfangV: you sure you don't wanna come back to the bad guy side, arhpy?
VardaValar1: Sauron has minions for that sort of thing : )
ArathornValar: Yet that's not an absolute... just curious what might have happened if the ring was lost again... but no one seems to want to go that route ...
ArPharazonV: I may be an evil-worshipper, but as a man of royalty I will not worship a spider... or a minion
ArPharazonV: Sauron is a minion as well
MeneldilValar: Varda -- you think he would've let minions deal with it?
UlfangV: ah phooey.
Lady Fallun: I'd worship super-Shelob
VardaValar1: hehe
UlfangV: right on sister.
MeneldilValar: I'd worship Ungoliant.
VardaValar1: Minions were already hunting the Ring
MeneldilValar: -,-
ArPharazonV: i'll worship Morgoth then... probably
VardaValar1: The Nazgul would've kept them in check
Eonwe Valar: I don't believe it was possible to have it lost again :} barring a major catostrophic event in which Frodo was swallowed by the earth, it would be in somebody's possession
MeneldilValar: True.
ArPharazonV: taking over Sauron's role to bring him back into this world
VardaValar1: It's all about Morgoth, eventually
MeneldilValar: You better get your local locksmith, Arphy.
ArPharazonV: Do you think that with absolute power, Sauron would have brought back MOrgoth?
MeneldilValar: Yes.
VardaValar1: Morgoth is destined to return
ArathornValar: Then we're assuming tha finding of the ring is pre-ordained. As a story line it has to be, but in reality... that means that history can't be changed and is already written
Eonwe Valar: yes, because that's what Maiar do
GwaihirValar: not necessarily Arathorn
VardaValar1: Sauron was readying the world to be on his side againt the Valar
GwaihirValar: it means that certain events have to happen
UlfangV: yep. all road lead to thangorodrim.
GwaihirValar: everything elose doesn't have to be pre-ordained
ArPharazonV: or would he be so corrupted by power he'd choose to rule alone
UlfangV: get used to it, gents.
VardaValar1: The Song has a theme, aye
GwaihirValar: but those events WILL happen no matter what
Eonwe Valar: When the Maiar became Maiar, they basically agreed to help out their particualr Vala,.. it's in their conttract :}
MeneldilValar: And you can't build Thangorodrim in a day, can you, Ulfy?
VardaValar1: It doesn't have to be pre-ordained, but that's how things would work out
ArPharazonV: yes, but Sauron was a Maia of Aule
ArPharazonV: not of Morgoth
ArPharazonV: if he betrayed one, why not the other?
UlfangV: friends, flames of udun, countrymen, lend me your ears.
MeneldilValar: :P
VardaValar1: We aren't tyrants, our Maiar can switch or work for more than one
ArathornValar: Well, that is practically the meaning of the word, varda
MeneldilValar: ::Gothmog rips his.. ear, yes.. that's what that body part is called.. and tosses it to Ulfy::
Eonwe Valar: my point was they don't usually go off and try to rule the domains of the Valar on their own,.. Ossë is the only bad example of that, and even he was actually serving Morgoth, not himself, in doing so
VardaValar1: Sauron is said to be loyal to Morgoth, worshipping his power and ambition, figuring he was the winning side
ArPharazonV: yes, but even if Morgoth was a tyrant, he would have had no control over Sauron anymore from the Outside
VardaValar1: Morgoth did still have a reach
ArPharazonV: so, following his footsteps but not his feet (nice saying, just invented it) he could claim Arda for himself
Eonwe Valar: Morgoth had a hand in all the powers of the Valar,.. Sauron was probably seduced by the idea of dabbling in everybody's pond
VardaValar1: Sauron would have claimed Arda, but he knew or believed Morgoth would return
ArPharazonV: yes, but would he have tried to accelerate the return?
VardaValar1: Morgoth was the most powerful, at one time at least
ArathornValar: Btw, what part is Morgoth playing at the point of the WotR... is he thinking about still finding a way back and taking power from Sauron if he had gotten the ring? Always wondered about that
VardaValar1: Melkor had a time to return
ArPharazonV: did he now?
ArPharazonV: appointed by Eru I suppose?
MeneldilValar: Sauron w/Ring = Enough to clear out the Free Peoples of Middle-earth..
VardaValar1: Sauron would have been the right hand of Morgoth, that's a lot of power
ArPharazonV: and did Sauron ever have respect for Eru?
MeneldilValar: I think so.
VardaValar1: It was known that he would come out of the Void, and Manwe would then come down from Taniquetil to fight him.
VardaValar1: At one time, Sauron was a good person. He was corrupted
ArPharazonV: I think Sauron would have become Morgoth's right hand at the return, but before that tried to make himself sole ruler for as long as possible...
MeneldilValar: Now I'd Pay-Per-View for that battle. :P
Eonwe Valar: Morgoth was still licking his wounds I'd say,. but it makes me wonder what mischief he left going in the regions away from Arda,... perhaps there were other Maiar who ran those places, Sauron just happened to be morgoth's top
VardaValar1: Me too, Meneldil : )
ArathornValar: SO you think that if Sauron got teh ring and won the War, he'd relinquish power to Melkor ... or would he just have to being the lesser of two evils, as it were
Eonwe Valar: general and was put on the important front
VardaValar1: Sauron would retain most all of his power, as he always had with Morgoth who liked to let him do most of the work
MeneldilValar: Sauron would rule from Barad-Dur, Melkor the Morgoth would move into Manwe's hangout -- Taniquetil, and take charge from there. :P
ArPharazonV: I think Sauron would have dominated ME for as long as possible, not going through any trouble to bring back MOrgoth
VardaValar1: Sauron might not have been in a hurry to bring back Morgoth, but would be ready when he inevitably returned
MeneldilValar: Morgoth seemed to me like he relied a bit much on servants. -,-
ArPharazonV: when Valinor and ME were seperated, you think Morgoth would have chosen Valinor above ME to have his capital?
MeneldilValar: Yes.
Eonwe Valar: Sauron would've been more powerful than before thanks to his ring,.. and I'm sure he would help Morgoth get back from the Void, but would Morgoth have helped Sauron get his Ring back?
VardaValar1: Valinor was full of Valar who would punch him out : )
ArathornValar: Guess I'm still wondering where Morgoth sits through it all... could Sauron betray Morgoth keep the ring and all the power and leave him in oblivion?
VardaValar1: Morgoth wanted to rule the Eruhini
ArPharazonV: He would keep the ring for himself
VardaValar1: Morgoth had no need of the Ring. Sauron could keep it
UlfangV: as long as i get my little piece of ME to rule in absolute despotism,i don't care whether sauron or morgoth is the top dog. and gimme a ringwhile i'm still a captain of the bad guys.
VardaValar1: lol
ArPharazonV: Morgoth would have claimed Sauron's ring, so as to keep Sauron fully loyal and not at threat to him in any case
UlfangV: gimme arphy's ring. he's a goody two shoes.
MeneldilValar: You can have east of Mordor, Ulfy. :P
VardaValar1: The Ring had a part of Sauron's power, merely that of a Maia and not even all of that
ArPharazonV: arphy's ring? that would be nice...
ArPharazonV: if I had a ring
Eonwe Valar: I used to think he would to, but I now agree with a former member who said it would do him no good since it's essentially something already under his control
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe
UlfangV: oh look who wants to be a part of the cool side after all....
MeneldilValar: Wouldn't the Ring of Barahir have been yours, Arphy?
VardaValar1: Morgoth would let Sauron use it for him
ArathornValar: So, could Sauron ever be more or as powerful than Morgoth.. having nbeen banished?
Eonwe Valar: Now if Morgoth made a Ring of Power,..
MeneldilValar: No, Arathorn.
MeneldilValar: -,-
ArPharazonV: Barahir's ring was part of the heritage of Elendil, wasn't it?
VardaValar1: Sauron could not be more powerful than Morgoth
ArathornValar: Why not?
VardaValar1: His nature
ArPharazonV: Morgoth's power was largely stacked in ME
ArathornValar: Ok, guess I'm not getting my question across...
UlfangV: oohhh... eonwe... nice one. melkor's ring...
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: if Sauron took over ME, he'd take a lot away from Melkor
Eonwe Valar: Do you think Morgoth, on hearing about Sauron's Ring, will say, or had said, "Now why did I think of that!"
Eonwe Valar: *didn't
MeneldilValar: didn't* :P
UlfangV: hahaha
VardaValar1: The Melkoric element was all through Arda
UlfangV: he's like, check out my mighty earring!
MeneldilValar: Sauron would've chuckled and said, "Hindsight is 20/20."
Eonwe Valar: yes, it does make a nice plug for book 10 of the HoME :}
ArathornValar: Is Sauron still beholden to Morgoth, or could he turn on him and leave him stranded?
ArPharazonV: Morgoth's ring, good book...
VardaValar1: Morgoth could not be stranded, just restrained for a time
MeneldilValar: I haven't been able to wade through HoME.
ArPharazonV: Especially the revised cosmology :)
MeneldilValar: Was reading BoLT, but didn't like it much. -,-
VardaValar1: Heavy wading alright
MeneldilValar: D'you have to read them in order?
ArPharazonV: the moon as a piece of rock, hideout of Melkor
MeneldilValar: -,o
ArPharazonV: yes, it's useful if you do, with the references and such
ThorondorV: goodnight all, I'm off now
ArPharazonV: Namarie Thorondor
MeneldilValar: Goodnight, Windlord Sr.
VardaValar1: Good night!
Eonwe Valar: it's a history, essentially from earliest to Fourth Age, so it helps if you read in order, but matters about as much as whether you read Sil before LotR
ArPharazonV: old windlord
GwaihirValar: farewell
ThorondorV has left the room.
VardaValar1: And Sauron-(Valar) says hi : )
MeneldilValar: BoLT was -- boring. -,-
Eonwe Valar: Heya Sauron :}
ArPharazonV: no I have to disagree with you there, Eonwe
ArPharazonV: *now
FarmerMaggotV: has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: or no
FarmerMaggotV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya
MeneldilValar: Aiya.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArathornValar: er.. so what umtimately happened to Morgoth after the fall of the ring (and Sauron for that matter).
UlfangV: aiya
VardaValar1: The Histories need to be looked at as reference material rather than normal entertainment
ArPharazonV: Lotr was published before the Silm, even in JRR's time
VardaValar1: Morgoth will still return
ArPharazonV: so JRR had to make Lotr readable without having read the Silm
ArPharazonV: but the Histories are actually made in order
ArathornValar: But Tolkien never got that far into the story right? Really open to discussion?
VardaValar1: JRRT already had the background figured before LotR
ArPharazonV: and have lots and lots of references to the earlier parts
VardaValar1: All that background gave the LotR incredible depth
ArPharazonV: I'd say reading the Histories in order is just as important as reading the Silm before the Histories
VardaValar1: I'd prefer reading them in order as well
ArPharazonV: I have read Lotr before the Silm, and both were very understandable at that time
VardaValar1: I suggest reading H, LotR, Sil, UT, then Histories in order
ArPharazonV: yet, I started the Histories with part 2, and had to skip half the discussion because I did not know part 1
ArPharazonV: right, that's what I did, Varda, except for 2 exceptions
ArPharazonV: I read the Hobbit after Lotr, and histories part 2 between hobbit and Silm
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, had a Hobbit craving so went for their favorite food :}
VardaValar1: Mushrooms!
ArPharazonV: after the Quest, I'd say it would have to be Lemba's ;)
UlfangV: tater!
VardaValar1: How many lembas did you eat?
ArPharazonV: 4 ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: yes I've seen the extended edition...
ArathornValar: hmm.. okay, guess no one has an answer for that last one..
VardaValar1: Sorry, thought we answered. Please repeat
ArPharazonV: ArathornValar: But Tolkien never got that far into the story right? Really open to discussion?
ArPharazonV: that question?
ArathornValar: Regarding Morgoth/Sauron... what ultimately happened to them
ArathornValar: Yes, Arphy..
VardaValar1: Morgoth is still there, and we will have to face him
ArPharazonV: oh... I'd say Sauron joined Saruman, wherever that is
VardaValar1: The time has not yet come...
ArPharazonV: actually, other way around...
VardaValar1: Sauron and Saruman's spirits were blown away in the wind of Manwe
ArPharazonV: to where?
ArathornValar: er.. so I take that as yes, Tolkien ended the story there and left it open...
VardaValar1: Looks suspiciously like itsy bits in the wind
ArPharazonV: like ashes after a cremation...
VardaValar1: The idea of Morgoth's return is for in our future
VardaValar1: We have to get together and be ready for it : )
ArPharazonV: we? In Valinor? yes, our characters maybe...
ArathornValar: No wonder I've been Sneezing so much lately!!
VardaValar1: Will we face him as united honorable folk - or welcome him?
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: I could have breathed Sauron!
UlfangV: haha
VardaValar1: And the Melkoric element all through Arda helps you sneeze too!
ArPharazonV: I've learned my lesson... when I'm free, I'll help the Valar
VardaValar1: Way to go, Phar : )
ArathornValar: ech.. bit of Saruman in the 'ole nostril.. where's my snuff...?
Eonwe Valar: I suspect Sauron may actually still be inside Ea rather than in the Void,.. as it's said he would be not much more than a spectre of hatred, nto able to take form in the forseeable future.
VardaValar1: Sounds pretty scary, actually
ArPharazonV: I've learned Eru does exist, and that I must follow his loyalest servants, the good Valar
ArPharazonV: ah, so Sauron could exist in the shadow a few feet away?
ArathornValar: sheeeshh... these evil doers are worse than cockroaches!
VardaValar1: Just be careful. We make mistakes too. Such as with the elves. But we meant well
UlfangV: *smacks arathorn*
Eonwe Valar: I will welcome Sauron, with a sword and shield in hand as I "escort" him before Manwë to be judged :}
ArathornValar: Present company excepted Ulf...
ArPharazonV: and Manwe will come down to fight him?
UlfangV: it's good to be bad.
VardaValar1: Sauron-(Valar) asks where you think cockroaches learned?
ArPharazonV: Sauron? where?
VardaValar1: Manwe will go against his brother, Melkor
ArPharazonV: oh right...
ArathornValar: Apparently from fruitflies... they seem even harder to get rid of...
VardaValar1: Sauron-(Valar) is sitting at a comp next to me : )
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: indeed :)
ArPharazonV: greetings to Sauron!
VardaValar1: Heat will do it. Got my entire collection
ArathornValar: Of course none harder than the IRS... but I digress...
VardaValar1: (It was for biology class)
ArPharazonV: don't we have a Morgoth, Manwe, and Eru in the Guild as well?
VardaValar1: yes
Eonwe Valar: yes, yes, and yes :}
VardaValar1: Eru is our founder, sometimes emails still
VardaValar1: Manwe is a member for life, currently without a computer, and in California
ArPharazonV: so important.. and none join the meetings
UlfangV: ah... the true dark lord... the IRS.
VardaValar1: Morgoth is in Dark Age of Camelot
FarmerMaggotV: Excuse my ignorance but Eru?
VardaValar1: Eru founded the guild
ArPharazonV: Illuvatar... 'the one'...
VardaValar1: Aye
ArPharazonV: it all starts with him
FarmerMaggotV: Ah, ok knew who Illuvatar was :D
Eonwe Valar: No, Manwë and Melkor will not be duking it out in Madison Square Gardens, and no we will not be selling tickets to the fight :}
Lady Fallun: awww
FarmerMaggotV: Shame :P
ArathornValar: O, btwm is anyone thinking of playing the D2X mod with a new char in the near future..? Have a hankering to create a new Sorc, but don't want to play alone...
VardaValar1: The Dunedain might be selling them though
UlfangV: arathorn - sign me up tonight.
VardaValar1: Not in the near future
ArathornValar: Great Ulfang!
UlfangV: <- bowazon.
VardaValar1: Arathorn's ticket sales : )
UlfangV: maybe we won't die so much this time.
ArPharazonV: sure, sign me up too, Arathorn, I want to watch the duel!
ArathornValar: Wnat to start a brabd new char... my other char, Assassin, is in Hell act4, but haven't played her awhile..
UlfangV: yea sure. after this?
ArathornValar: Here we go... two more tickets RIGHT up front for the D2X ME ..goin' fast...! Step right up,...!
ArPharazonV: I mean the duel between M & M
ArPharazonV: VardaValar1: The Dunedain might be selling them though
VardaValar1: We seem to have finished our Tolkien for the night, if you folk would like to go play?
FarmerMaggotV: Anyone know of a Tolkien mod for Quake 3?
ArPharazonV: You're a Dunedain, aren't you, Arathorn?
ArathornValar: er... you mean my char or my name?
VardaValar1: That's how he funds his D2X mod character : )
ArPharazonV: I did not mean D2x... unfortunately
ArPharazonV: name I mean
UlfangV: wait... not d2x? just wanna make sure i get into the right game.
ArPharazonV: and, so, your Tolkien char
MeneldilValar: Arathorn.. I'll play.. :D
VardaValar1: Not sure of any Tolkien mod for Quake 3. Like to make one?
UlfangV: with the mod? or with the tolkien mod?
ArathornValar: er.. so you don't have D2x Arph?
FarmerMaggotV: heh if I was any good at 3d stuff I'd take a shot at it
ArathornValar: I was asking for the tolkien mod, yes..
ArPharazonV: yes, that's what I mean, and meant, sorry if I caused any confusion
UlfangV: right on.
FarmerMaggotV: I seem to have plenty of free time to take a shot at something ;)
ArPharazonV: was in response to VardaValar1: The Dunedain might be selling them though
FarmerMaggotV: cuz I've got like a whole week off of school :D
VardaValar1: Congrats!
ArathornValar: umm.. ok now I'm confused...
UlfangV: oh man. to be in school again.
VardaValar1: Arathorn might be selling tickets to the Manwe Morgoth fight
ArPharazonV: now THOSE tickets I wanted him to sign me up for
ArathornValar: er.. So from what I get... Ulfang and I are up for D2X ME mod... and anyone else..>
VardaValar1: I go back to school now and again, computer classes last time
ArathornValar: ?
ArPharazonV: the M & M duel
Eonwe Valar: cool Varda :}
ArathornValar: What!?...
UlfangV: VV - would love to go back to school at some point.
MeneldilValar: Ara -- is that to start new characters or to watch the duel? -,-
VardaValar1: M&M duel, hehe, great
ArPharazonV: to watch the duel!!
VardaValar1: lol
VardaValar1: Poor Arathorn
ArathornValar: er... sorry, Varda, missed wheer I was sellign those
ArPharazonV: oh, Ara.. not Arpha...
ArPharazonV: long live Chaos and confusion!
VardaValar1: Pardon my free association
MeneldilValar: ::gets his D2X cd ready:: -,-
FarmerMaggotV: Yay the C & C go right along with M & M and pretty soon we got alphabet soup :D Yummy :D
Eonwe Valar: mmm M&M's... :}
UlfangV: arathorn: let me and meneldil know where you'll be in battle.net
FarmerMaggotV: I got starcraft reinstalled =D
MeneldilValar: So.. are we starting new characters on the ME-mod?
FarmerMaggotV: Anyone up for a game of that?
VardaValar1: If you use comps, you have lots of alphabet soup
ArPharazonV: C & C? is that command and conquer of Core Contingency?
FarmerMaggotV: I was thinking about that but didn't know of any software that was M & M ;)
UlfangV: m: i think so.
GaldorV has entered the room.
MeneldilValar: Is it the V&K mod?
MeneldilValar: Aiya, Galdor.
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
MeneldilValar: 1.91?
GaldorV: I'm not at home so I dont have shortcut
ArPharazonV: so, once and for all, Arathorn and everybody else: I will NOT participate in D2X ME yet... but I want tickets to the M&M duel :)
GaldorV: Aiya
ArathornValar: Yeah, new chars... I'll go into Bnet now...
VardaValar1: Tolkien chat went into IM's, heh
UlfangV: m: i think so. that's the version i'm rinning
ArPharazonV: really?
ArPharazonV: bring it back here!
ArPharazonV: I want Tolkien chat!
ArPharazonV: Pharazon is a little spoiled...
GaldorV: I am runninv ME mod V 1.91
ArathornValar:
ArPharazonV: Namarie
VardaValar1: Namarie, gamers :)
MeneldilValar: I'm in channel Valar on USeast.
GaldorV: Havent really played it much, as I am playint east ladder
Eonwe Valar: ME mod newest version is 1.91, and it's been out a few months, so if you've downloaded it recently you
Eonwe Valar: 're ok :]
VardaValar1: Eonwe, you still play mod?
ArPharazonV: so, anybody still wanting to play Egg Hunt later?
Eonwe Valar: Well, I look at my characters' stuff, but that's about all I get time for right now :}
ArathornValar: Namarie
VardaValar1: Know the feeling, webwork and real life eat the gaming time
VardaValar1: Namarie
Eonwe Valar: take care :}
ArPharazonV: until next week
ArPharazonV: and beyond :)
VardaValar1: or the forum
ArPharazonV: that too
GaldorV: Namarie
GwaihirValar: back
VardaValar1: That's been fun : )
ArPharazonV: we can't wait to read Haran's newest adventures ;)
VardaValar1: Phar, you want a copy/paste of some IM chat on Tolkien?
GwaihirValar: play Egg Hunt?
Eonwe Valar: Them's secrets :} Don't be eavesdropping on the Dwarf and Elf :}
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: *the Dwarf and Auros :}
ArathornValar: Anyone wanting to play D2X ME... we're in VALAR channel in OPEN bnet
ArPharazonV: I'm not listening.... just suspicious
Eonwe Valar: guess I should be specific as to which Elf :}
ArPharazonV: and very alert...
VardaValar1: Forgot to mention
ArPharazonV: you thought you could disappear without me noticing you, eh?
GaldorV: I'd play, not at home though
VardaValar1: we will be sending out the password
VardaValar1: probably this week
ArPharazonV: finally!
GaldorV: lots of Elves...
ArPharazonV: has it been decided?
GwaihirValar: newpassword?
VardaValar1: My fault. Have to do mass email
GaldorV: finally!
GwaihirValar: or pw to what?
VardaValar1: Council seems pretty well set on it, aye
ArPharazonV: to the games yes
GwaihirValar: ahh no game pw
GwaihirValar: I see
GaldorV: games..& banks
VardaValar1: games, forum, banks
ArPharazonV: game pw
FarmerMaggotV: in other news: I've decided I'm gonna rewrite the bridge from scratch to be not so hackish and it might work :P
ArPharazonV: forum?
VardaValar1: anything we do
VardaValar1: wow, Farmer!
VardaValar1: Forum has some closed areas
ArPharazonV: oh that
FarmerMaggotV: it'll be a day project :D
GaldorV: those being trade areas
ArPharazonV: are they accessable by the password? never knew that
GaldorV: Anyone heard about The Matrix online?
ArPharazonV: heard about it
ArPharazonV: thank god for GU comics ;)
VardaValar1: The trade areas use the same pass as games
ArPharazonV: I meant the closed forum sections
VardaValar1: Those are the closed forum sections
MeneldilValar: What is the password for games? -,-
VardaValar1: lol
GaldorV: lol
VardaValar1: The game pass can only be emailed by me
Eonwe Valar: should've been sent in your Welcome letter
ArPharazonV: oh, I thought the banks also functioned as the trade areas... got it all mixed up now
VardaValar1: No other way to pass it on
GaldorV: it is elf sailor
VardaValar1: Trade areas in the forums are passworded
Eonwe Valar: er, pardon, that's how we used to do it :}
VardaValar1: We still trade by using the banks
VardaValar1: Erestor and I keep the banks operational
VardaValar1: We have them for regular and ladder
ArPharazonV: has the new password already been put into action?
VardaValar1: No
VardaValar1: Not until it's emailed
VardaValar1: I hope to get it out during this week
ArPharazonV: ah, the new one still works...
VardaValar1: yes
ArPharazonV: *old one
VardaValar1: Old one still in use now, not changed
MeneldilValar: Can I get it re-emailed to me? :P
ArPharazonV: nuclear test-site not available though... just thought I'd give it a try ;)
ArPharazonV: still wandering what that section contains...
GwaihirValar: one more thing...
GwaihirValar: from my experience previously...
Eonwe Valar: It shouldn't be accessible by anyone but EonNewTest :}
ArPharazonV: in that case, it works :)
GwaihirValar: for the first weeks after new pw comes into effect
GwaihirValar: expect at least half the games to still use old password *chuckles*
VardaValar1: They will for a while, out of habit
GwaihirValar: people get into such a habit of typing the password that it's hard to change
ArPharazonV: so, we should give it 2 tries... first the new one, if it is wrong the old one
VardaValar1: I have that problem : )
VardaValar1: Right
GwaihirValar: I know that I still every once in a while go all the way back to 'mellon' *laughs* before I catch myself lol
FarmerMaggotV: Could you email me the pass varda (wiped my hard drive at least once since the welcome letter :P)
VardaValar1: But until I email it, no one knows it : )
ArPharazonV: and over time, the second try will be less and less necessary :)
Eonwe Valar: And then some of us will not game for a long time, then come back and not remembering the password changed at all will use the old one :}
GwaihirValar: aye
VardaValar1: If you don't get it in the email, email me. I may have the wrong address
ArPharazonV: but not disappearing fully, it seams...
ArPharazonV: *seems
GaldorV: My habit is using the game password to acess my account...or my password trying to acess the banks....
VardaValar1: We all do that sometimes : )
GwaihirValar: I've done those two :)
GaldorV: Aye

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